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bob_2

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Social Justice: John Wallis' or Glenn Beck's Version

Here is a definition of the term "Social Justice".

Social justice is the application of the concept of justice on a social scale. The term appeared before the 1800s,[1] including in the Federalist Papers and Edward Gibbon's The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. The idea was elaborated by the moral theologian John A. Ryan, who initiated the concept of a living wage. Father Coughlin also used the term in his publications in the 1930s and the 1940s. The concept was further expanded upon by John Rawls beginning in the 1960s. It is a part of Catholic social teaching and is one of the Four Pillars of the Green Party upheld by green parties worldwide. Some tenets of social justice have been adopted by those on the left of the political spectrum.

Social justice is also a concept that some use to describe the movement towards a socially just world. In this context, social justice is based on the concepts of human rights and equality and involves a greater degree of economic egalitarianism through progressive taxation, income redistribution, or even property redistribution. These policies aim to achieve what developmental economists refer to as more equality of opportunity and equality of outcome than may currently exist in some societies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice

Is this what Christ taught? Let's explore it.

bob_2

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Re: Social Justice: John Wallis' or Glenn Beck's Version

Is this what Jesus taught about wealth in society:

Matthew 25:14-30

The Parable of the Talents

14"Again, it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted his property to them. 15To one he gave five talents[a] of money, to another two talents, and to another one talent, each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey. 16The man who had received the five talents went at once and put his money to work and gained five more. 17So also, the one with the two talents gained two more. 18But the man who had received the one talent went off, dug a hole in the ground and hid his master's money.
19"After a long time the master of those servants returned and settled accounts with them. 20The man who had received the five talents brought the other five. 'Master,' he said, 'you entrusted me with five talents. See, I have gained five more.'

21"His master replied, 'Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master's happiness!'

22"The man with the two talents also came. 'Master,' he said, 'you entrusted me with two talents; see, I have gained two more.'

23"His master replied, 'Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master's happiness!'

24"Then the man who had received the one talent came. 'Master,' he said, 'I knew that you are a hard man, harvesting where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25So I was afraid and went out and hid your talent in the ground. See, here is what belongs to you.'

26"His master replied, 'You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed? 27Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest.

28" 'Take the talent from him and give it to the one who has the ten talents. 29For everyone who has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 30And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'

Personal responsibility is a big part of this. The goal of the Obama administration is egalitarianism, which is not what Christ taught. So where is his playbook coming from.

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bob_2

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Re: Social Justice: John Wallis' or Glenn Beck's Version

Is Social Justice a code word for Redistribution of Wealth, notice John Wallis' unequivical statement about this:

http://www.breitbart.tv/rev-wallis-reve … as-budget/

Is that redistribution to be based on effort, responsibility and worth. Or arbitrarily on equal portions irrespective on efffort. Read the Talent Parable again.

bob_2

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Re: Social Justice: John Wallis' or Glenn Beck's Version

What is Glenn Beck's unfiltered view of Social Justice and it's true meaning when used by Obama:

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articl … 198/38320/

Here's an excerpt:

Rev. Wright's church teaches "economic parity" and claims that God is not pleased with "America's economic mal-distribution." Progressives are good at changing words — for instance:

• "Federal assistance" has replaced the word "welfare"

• "Welfare" replaced the word "handout"

• "Subsidy" has replaced the word "self-reliance"

• "Bailout" has replaced the words "corporate accountability"

• The "stimulus bill" becomes the "jobs bill"

They do this over and over again.

Churches that preach his type of "social justice" are what I was referring to when I said "run." This kind of social justice being preached in Rev. Wright-style churches not only resembles what many of these radical progressive and socialist and communist groups preach today, it is what they preach: Government forcibly taking wealth and spreading it around — leveling the playing field, so there's no "economic inequality."

elaine

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Re: Social Justice: John Wallis' or Glenn Beck's Version

Speaking of "economc inequality" the U.S. now has the greatest disparity it have ever experienced:  There is a 300% difference between the highest and lowest income spread.

Why is not "corporate welfare" that we, the taxpayers have given to the Wall Street (robber barons) bankers, not brought such disgust?  Our children and grandchildren will be paying that debt.  All the while, these same banks are gouging the consumer with hidden added fees.  Where are the governmental regulatory controls?   

This is the captitalist free enterprise system:  the capitalists take the money because it's free.

elaine

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Re: Social Justice: John Wallis' or Glenn Beck's Version

These banks get 0% interest for the bailout money we gave them; but hike the interest on consumers.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp … 7#36233217

bob_2

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Re: Social Justice: John Wallis' or Glenn Beck's Version

Elaine, want to put your money where you mouth is, and starta grassroots movement of the rich giving voluntarily to the poor with the goal to reduce that 300% and chase the job makers offshore somewhere?

JUST ASKIN'

elaine

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Re: Social Justice: John Wallis' or Glenn Beck's Version

No.  But there should be an opposing "Tea Party" that focuses on the dirty deal we got from bailing out the big banks.  Greenspan said he was "right" most of the time, but the 30%  that he was wrong caused  us many headaches.

It was the policy of letting the foxes (regulators who looked the other way) guard the henhouses that left us with no one to trust.  This has the terrible effect of even less trust in the government  to help the poor consumers but only those already so wealthy they have no idea of those who are unemployed and sick.  "Let them eat cake."

bob_2

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Re: Social Justice: John Wallis' or Glenn Beck's Version

So, do you believe Beck is saying something different about proper regulation???