When Will Obama Go to Church?

bob_2 · 04-07-09 7:47 pm

<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!>quote:President Obama has not attended church services on any of the 11 Sundays since he took office, despite his pledge to find a new church after quitting Trinity United nearly a year ago because of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s incendiary rhetoric. “We probably won’t make any firm decision on this until January, when we know what our lives our going to be like,” Obama told reporters last May at a press conference that he called to announce his break with Trinity. By this point in former President George W. Bush’s tenure, the president had spent several Sunday mornings attending services at St. John’s Episcopal Church, which is located opposite the White House off of Lafayette Park. But the president made no decision in January, February or March. And now, with Easter just days away, Obama has yet to reveal what church he may have chosen or when he might attend his first Sunday services as president. ...<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> <a href="http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/04/07/sammon_obama_church/" target=_top>http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/04/07/sammo n_obama_church/</a>

elaine · 04-07-09 9:46 pm

He has been so busy, we should ask: when does he sleep, rather than church attendance. So when does church attendance affirm someone's spirituality? Just imagine, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, Madison and other founders of this country were not "religious" on that basis. Frankly, too many people "claim" religious and have blackened the word. IOW, church attendees are more moral, better citizens than non-attendees?

renie · 04-08-09 12:07 am

If Obama does decide to attend church, he will be criticized for whichever church he chooses to attend. He and Michele are criticized for eveything else. renie

john8verse32 · 04-08-09 8:59 am

he claimed in Turkey, pandering to a Moslem nation, that we in the US are NOT a Christian nation!!!!! was this part of the "change" you voted for? http://blog.au.org/2009/04/07/celebrating-the-secular-obama-says-us-is-not-a-christian-nation-2/ in addition, "O" baked his goose in Turkey with the moderates there, with his appeasing the Islamists there who look to impose Islamic law on a country which recently has tried to become "westernized" http://www.nypost.com/seven/04082009/postopinion/opedcolumnists/os_amateur_hour_163368.htm (Message edited by john8verse32 on April 08, 2009)

elaine · 04-08-09 2:51 pm

Please explain how the U.S. is a "Christian nation." For the Armenians, Turkey has always been placated by the U.S. refusal to call their 1915 actions as "genocide." The U.S. is fearful that Turkey will then not allow the U.S. to use its airspace if we did.

pilgrim99 · 04-08-09 5:02 pm

Elaine, I'm pretty sure that in your undergraduate days you took a course called Western Civilization, or something with a similar name. If you think back to the module on American thought, you will realize that our country was founded based on a Judaeo/Christian worldview. In fact as a historian, you probably know more about this than most people who post here. There is a historical document that most would consider to an expression of the worldview of the Founding Fathers. The document includes this phrase<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!>quote:We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> This view of the Creator is unique to a Judaeo Christian worldview. It is an expression of the view of the God, found in the Holy Bible. It is my understanding that this view of God is not shared by Koran followers, Buddhists, Hindus, Wiccans, navel gazers, followers of the flying spaghetti monster, druids, tree huggers, or any of the various flavors of creation worshipper. I suppose that it would be more accurate to say that we are a Judaeo Christian nation.

elaine · 04-08-09 9:56 pm

No, the "Creator" is not unique to the Jewish and Christian thought. Long before either of those religions, and contemporary with them, there was belief by many that there was a god, a supreme being. This was voiced by well-know philosophers long before the Hebrews, or at least it was the sentiment in many cultures. True, Jews and Christians may have a slightly different perspective, but that too, has changed throughout time. The Founders of the U.S. were also very careful not to make religion a test, and avoid some of the early problems with forced religious belief with this country's first settlers where there were Sunday laws and other religious laws imposed. We are also fast losing the claim of a Judeo-Christian nation as fewer each poll claims to have a religious belief. So, like it or not, we here will, in not too distant future, resemble the European's perspective. Remember, they were the areas where the Christian religion originated and was preserved for centuries: where Luther, Calvin, Knox, and others lived and wrote. The Europeans are wiser in the realization that making ANY religion of any importance in their civil laws. Italy and France are good examples: as at one time the largest Roman Catholic countries, they are likely the least religious, or at least adhering to the faith and practice. England still has its queen as head of state and church, but it is in name only, as they are the least representative of any religion. Professing religion is easy, and Americans do so all the time, yet in their practice they belie that fact.

john8verse32 · 04-08-09 10:13 pm

forget "O" going to church.... he is probably a Moslem anyway, if not a tobacco addicted antichrist himself.... and he apparently is (or supports others who are) a liar...if not also a Kenyan.... all the buz in politics today: The White House is denying that the president bowed to King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia at a G-20 meeting in London, a scene that drew criticism on the right and praise from some Arab outlets. "It wasn't a bow. He grasped his hand with two hands, and he's taller than King Abdullah," said an Obama aide, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. what a bunch of liars!!!!! at the top of our government!!! The Washington Times called the alleged bow a "shocking display of fealty to a foreign potentate" and said it violated centuries of American tradition of not deferring to royalty. The Weekly Standard, meanwhile, noted that American protocol apparently rules out bowing, or at least it reportedly did on the occasion of a Clinton "near-bow" to the emperor of Japan. Interestingly, a columnist in the Saudi-backed Arabic paper Asharq Alawsat also took the gesture as a bow and appreciated the move. "Obama wished to demonstrate his respect and appreciation of the personality of King Abdullah Bin Abdulaziz, who has made one of the most important calls in the modern era, namely the call for inter-faith and inter-cultural dialogue to defuse the hatred, conflict and wars,"" here's the pic of Omama NOT bowing to the Saudis... <img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/messages/14/951.jpg" alt=""> this pic of our Prez, toward the end of his apology tour, is the best evidence we have for the need to counter his and Pelosi's opposition to solving our own energy crisis with American resources, including using coal, and drilling for oil. as well as harnassing all the hot air coming out of the leftist side of Washington.

bob_2 · 04-09-09 12:14 pm

After his last visit to Europe, referred by some as the "Apology Tour", I think he has purposely not gone to church yet, so he could talk as he did to the Moslems, when he claims for Americans, that he is indeed Christian. Maybe he won't ever go to church, so his contacts with the Moslem world won't be damaged when or if he steps into a Christian church. Just a thought.

john8verse32 · 04-09-09 3:29 pm

he's played plenty of basketball, and according to rumors, smoked plenty of cigs.... but either the demands of the office or his Moslem background have kept him from showing off our collective Christian roots...so far...

bob_2 · 04-10-09 3:29 am

Can't be that he and Michelle don't have time, trips to Camp David and hosting a Jewish Seder at the White House last night: <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30129000/" target=_top>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30129000/</a> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/02/07/2009-02-07_restless_obama_and_family_head_to_camp_d.html (Message edited by Bob_2 on April 10, 2009)

bob_2 · 04-10-09 11:18 am

Obamas seek new church as Easter nears <a href="http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/09/obamas-seeking-the-right-church/" target=_top>http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/09/obamas -seeking-the-right-church/</a> <blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!>quote:... White House aides and close friends of the family have been quietly checking out D.C. churches on a shortlist - maybe a dozen in all - and attending services, speaking with pastors, reverends and rectors and reporting back to the Obamas, said one White House source familiar with the search. President Obama's advisers have visited, among others, the Metropolitan African Methodist Episcopal Church, the Nineteenth Street Baptist Church, the Greater Mount Calvary Holy Church and the Foundry United Methodist Church - attended by former President Bill Clinton and which boasts as a mission society member Mr. Obama's political hero, Abraham Lincoln. Wherever the president and first lady choose to go to exercise what for most Americans is a private matter will draw great scrutiny and cross into the political realm. What's more, for the first black president, his selection carries racial ramifications: Should he choose a majority white church, blacks may be upset; should he choose a predominantly black church, whites may fear a repeat of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. debacle. ...<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

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