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#1 03-28-09 12:15 am

bob_2
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When Critics Ask - Book by Norman Geisler and Thomas Howe

<b><font color="0000ff"><font size="+2"><center><u>When Critics Ask</u> -  <BR><i>Book by Norman Geisler  <BR>and Thomas Howe</i></center></font></font></b> <BR> <BR>Review of Geisler/Howe book: <BR> <BR><blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1><b>quote:</b></font><p>   35 of 42 people found the following review helpful:  <BR> <BR>5.0 out of 5 stars  <BR> <BR>&#34;Buy it, put it on the bookshelf, and then use it &#34; <BR> <BR>E. Johnson &#40;El Cajon, CA United States&#41;  <BR> <BR>This is one of my favorite books of Bible difficulties &#40;the other by Gleason Archer, Encyclopedia of Bible Difficulties&#41;. Although they cannot possibly cover every single difficult passage with very detailed explanations, I have found the authors&#39; exegesis to be very sound. They consider the important elements to interpreting a passage, especially the text&#39;s context and historical situation. Also, the biblical languages are utilized in a very simple layman&#39;s style. I have been very satisfied by their answers, and I rarely look up a difficult passage that was not included in this book. &#40;Hint: Be ready to look at the other synoptic gospel accounts if the first passage is not listed.&#41;  <BR>If you are looking for a good reference book to answer biblical &#34;contradictions&#34; or out-of-context prooftexts that supposedly support a very unbiblical position, then this is your book. If nothing more, Geisler and Howe give you some ideas of the proper interpretation, and then you can go look for more information if it&#39;s not satisfactory. Nobody ever said that being a Christian would ever be easy!  <BR> <BR><!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> <BR> <BR><a href="http://www.amazon.com/When-Critics-Ask-Handbook-Difficulties/dp/0801011426?tag=dogpile-20" target=_top>http://www.amazon.com/When-Critics-Ask-Handbook-Di fficulties/dp/0801011426?tag=dogpile-20</a> <BR> <BR>Why not save your money Elaine, and buy a book with the right answers.  <BR> <BR>Sirje, if Spong is a hero of yours, you are misquided, and that is putting it kindly. <BR> <BR>&#40;Message edited by Bob_2 on March 28, 2009&#41;

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#2 03-28-09 11:10 pm

elaine
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Re: When Critics Ask - Book by Norman Geisler and Thomas Howe

<b><font color="0000ff">Why not save your money Elaine, and buy a book with the right answers. </font></b> <BR> <BR>Why spend any money at all when you have all the answers already?

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#3 03-29-09 6:04 am

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Re: When Critics Ask - Book by Norman Geisler and Thomas Howe

Bob, <BR>Who&#39;s talking about &#34;hero&#34;?

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#4 03-29-09 8:21 am

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Re: When Critics Ask - Book by Norman Geisler and Thomas Howe

Anybody that would buy a book forwarded by Spong.

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#5 03-29-09 8:24 am

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Re: When Critics Ask - Book by Norman Geisler and Thomas Howe

Elaine, you don&#39;t have to look far today to find out what sort of knowledge will be found in a book one intends to purchase. Your books, you tell us about, tend to be on the, anti=Chirst, anti-salvation, topics.

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#6 03-29-09 8:58 pm

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Re: When Critics Ask - Book by Norman Geisler and Thomas Howe

All the new books I buy I carefully read the reviews, so I won&#39;t buy a pig in a poke.  As my library has been filled with nearly every SDA publication for 60 years, I decided to read about alternative views.  You also must believe in reading other than SDA publications.  Curiosity is not always limited to what you already know, but new ideas which may deserve attention, and without fear. <BR> <BR>Certainly, you have read lots not favorable to Adventism, so you also get &#34;out of the box.&#34;

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#7 03-29-09 11:33 pm

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Re: When Critics Ask - Book by Norman Geisler and Thomas Howe

Without Jesus, there is no salvation.

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#8 03-30-09 1:26 pm

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Re: When Critics Ask - Book by Norman Geisler and Thomas Howe

Jesus may have more ways to reach out and save folks than the ONE WAY claimed by SDA&#39;s...... <BR> <BR>whether in your Miss. River valley,  or on a summit in Rio. <BR> <BR><img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/messages/120/889.jpg" alt="">


If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons?

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#9 03-30-09 1:47 pm

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Re: When Critics Ask - Book by Norman Geisler and Thomas Howe

&#34;If any man hears my words and does not believe them, I do not judge him.  I did not come to judge the world, I came to save the world.&#34; <BR>Jesus&#39;s words.   John 12. <BR> <BR>renie

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#10 03-30-09 4:24 pm

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Re: When Critics Ask - Book by Norman Geisler and Thomas Howe

To continue the words of Jesus that Renie was kind enough to share:<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1><b>quote:</b></font><p>&#34;The one who rejects me and does not accept my words has a judge; the word I have spoken will judge him at the last day. John 12:48 NET<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

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#11 03-30-09 7:18 pm

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Re: When Critics Ask - Book by Norman Geisler and Thomas Howe

Irene, read John Gill on John 12:47. Christ came as a Savior on His first Advent and not as a judge, but on His second Advent it will be as a judge:  <BR> <BR><a href="http://www.ewordtoday.com/comments/john/gill/john12.htm" target=_top>http://www.ewordtoday.com/comments/john/gill/john1 2.htm</a> <BR> <BR>scroll down to the verse.

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#12 03-30-09 10:33 pm

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Re: When Critics Ask - Book by Norman Geisler and Thomas Howe

&#34;I judge no man&#34; &#40;John 8:15&#41;

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#13 03-30-09 10:58 pm

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Re: When Critics Ask - Book by Norman Geisler and Thomas Howe

I have been taught that a text taken out of context creates a pretext. Jesus obviously judges, His approach is different than ours.<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1><b>quote:</b></font><p>You people judge by outward appearances; I do not judge anyone. But if I judge, my evaluation is accurate, because I am not alone when I judge, but I and the Father who sent me do so together. It is written in your law that the testimony of two men is true. I testify about myself and the Father who sent me testifies about me.” John 8:15-17 NET<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>As Dr. W. Hall Harris III of Dallas Theological Seminary says in an exegetical commentary on John 8:<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1><b>quote:</b></font><p>8:15 The Pharisees judge according to appearances &#40;cf. 7:24&#41;. Jesus does not judge anything. What was the meaning of Jesus’ statement? It is clear that Jesus does judge &#40;even in the next verse&#41;. The point is that he doesn’t practice the same kind of judgment that the Pharisees do. Their kind of judgment is condemnatory. They seek to condemn people. Jesus did not come to judge the world, but to save it &#40;3:17&#41;. <BR> <BR>Nevertheless, and not contradictory to this, the coming of Jesus does bring judgment, <b>because it forces people to make a choice. Will they accept Jesus or reject him? Will they come to the light or shrink back into the darkness? As they respond, so are they judged—just as 3:19-21 previously stated. One’s response to Jesus determines one’s eternal destiny.</b> <BR> <BR>8:16 But even if Jesus does judge, his judgment is true, because he does not make it alone. His judgment would be in perfect accord with the Father who sent him. <BR> <BR>8:17 The reference is to Deut 17:6, 19:15.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>All are responsible for responding to the light they have been given. There is no excuse for anyone, especially those who have heard the Gospel numerous times, yet still reject the only means of Salvation.<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1><b>quote:</b></font><p>For this is the way God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish  but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world should be saved through him. <b>The one who believes in him is not condemned. The one who does not believe has been condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God</b> John 3:16-18 NET<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

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#14 03-31-09 4:15 pm

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Re: When Critics Ask - Book by Norman Geisler and Thomas Howe

Elaine, John Gill&#39;s comment on John 8:15 - <BR> <BR><blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1><b>quote:</b></font><p>I judge no man; in the same way, after the flesh, or in a carnal manner, nor according to outward appearances, according to the sight of the eyes, or the hearing of the ears: Christ did not take upon him to judge and determine in civil affairs, or in things pertaining to a court of judicature among men; this was not his province; an instance of this there is in the context, in not condemning the woman brought to him; nor did he judge the persons and states of men, or proceed to pass any sentence of condemnation on them; he came not to condemn, but save the world; this was not his business now; otherwise, all judgment is committed to him, and which he will exercise another day.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> <BR> <BR><a href="http://www.ewordtoday.com/comments/john/gill/john8.htm" target=_top>http://www.ewordtoday.com/comments/john/gill/john8 .htm</a>

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