Intersection: Faith and Science

bob_2 · 07-11-09 1:32 pm

At the risk of duplicating another forum/blog's idea, here is a discussion worth pursuing. Can Science ultimately give all the answers to life, and does one poison the discussion with what worldview he initially brings to the table: <a href="http://intersection.adventist.org/2009/07/faith-and-science.html" target=_top>http://intersection.adventist.org/2009/07/faith-an d-science.html</a> Additionally, this is a stealth way of getting Cliff Goldstein on ATomorrow. <img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/clipart/proud.gif" border=0>

john8verse32 · 07-11-09 9:13 pm

Can Science ultimately give all the answers to life? admittedly, no.... but science can tell us where we came from, approx when and likely how it happened, presently where we are, and where we are likely headed (an auto-da-fe as the sun burns up in a few beyon yrs), but it cannot tell us ...WHY. religion, while assuring us it CAN tell us why, seems to shoot itself in the temples (literally and figuratively) when it insists (upon pain of a firey death) that we should believe what ancient, scientifically ignorant goat herders chanted to their kids around the campfire before the invention of writing, research and <a href="http://www.skepdic.com/creation.html" target="_blank">...skeptimedia...</a>, if religion, based on ancient myths, can't get the explanation of the "past" right, how can we expect it is sufficient to explain the present much less guarantee the future? I mean, are there adaquate numbers of virgins waiting in heaven for faithful Moslem guys who have martyred themselves for Allah while murdering Christians who use the Jewish name for the same God, Eloyhim? how about those "mansions" EGW saw God hammering out just the other side of the non existant hole in orion? 1,600 light years away.....is it too soon to ask for a wet bar, a wine rack and a surround sound theater in my basement? or should I accept the even more ancient myths of India, and expect to come back as a cow if I'm good? or, after all is said and DONE, is Porky really right? <img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/messages/16/1577.jpg" alt=""> and before I get accused of reductio ad absurdumB, remember, it's religion which came up with the above borderline absurd concepts, not science.

bob_2 · 07-11-09 9:59 pm

I thought it was agreed that science does not speak to orgins, I know Darwin didn't, just microevolution and possibly some extrapolation to macroevolution.

john8verse32 · 07-12-09 9:57 pm

science does not speak to orgins have you been living in a cave with osama and Batchelor? <img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/messages/16/1585.jpg" alt=""> science DOES seek origins.... that's what the Hubble Space Telescope is doing up there.... just below the biblical dome... squinting backwards in time deep into the universe to understand the origin of everything. thats what rovers are doing on mars....way out there above the dome... on one of the 7 divine things visible to the nakkid eye, wandering in the night sky different from the stars, after which the 7 days of the week and the 7 periods of creation were named. scientists use DNA analysis to understand the geography of where humans came from.... biologists compare creatures to understand how it all works... and as recently as 1999 this web site only claimed three potential sources of life in the universe.... <a href="http://www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/link=/earth/Life/origins.html" target=_top>http://www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/link=/earth/Life/origins.html</a> now scientists are searching for the origin of life in a 4th area: deep in the sea, in hydrothermal vents <a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/12/021204080856.htm" target=_top>http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/12/021204080856.htm</a> ....hard to believe you missed all that.....

bob_2 · 07-13-09 2:50 am

Darwin studied finches, not primordial ponds. Thus, he mainly studied microevolution, not cave men or women or primordial ponds, eh??? or Designers??? Common DNA only proves common DNA, not Commonn Origin. That is called speculaton and extrapulation, right??? (Message edited by Bob_2 on July 13, 2009)

bob_2 · 07-13-09 3:01 am

<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!>quote:Does a high degree of similarity mean that two DNA sequences have the same meaning or function? No, not necessarily. Compare the following sentences: There are many scientists today who question the evolutionary paradigm and its atheistic philosophical implications. There are not many scientists today who question the evolutionary paradigm and its atheistic philosophical implications. These sentences have 97% homology and yet have almost opposite meanings! There is a strong analogy here to the way in which large DNA sequences can be turned on or off by relatively small control sequences. The DNA similarity data does NOT quite mean what the evolutionary popularizers claim! <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> <a href="http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c018.html" target=_top>http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c018.htm l</a>

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