"no one is wrong" yet we may differ.

bob_2 · 02-10-09 3:18 am

<a href="http://www.covenantforum.com/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=1160&post=3329#POST3329" target=_top>http://www.covenantforum.com/cgi-bin/discus/show.c gi?tpc=1160&post=3329#POST3329</a> Who made the statement, Hubb Sturges. Do you agree all truth is subjective?

bob_2 · 02-10-09 11:29 am

If you post on <a href="http://www.covenantforum.com" target=_top>www.covenantforum.com</a> you can't ever tell someone they are wrong. Talk about sensitivity.

lijhakim · 02-10-09 1:05 pm

For those who believe the Bible and who have experienced God, truth becomes objective. One of the recurrent problems of many is that they demand detailed very literalistic proof before they will believe; yet will accept vague assumptions that support their pre-conceived ideas as truth. This may be a universal problem. It points out that a person must come into contact with ultimate Truth -- Jesus Christ -- before he will understand correctly Bible doctrine. ------------------------ Hubert F. Sturges .

bob_2 · 02-10-09 1:18 pm

Let me get this correct, if someone is a proponent of the Devil rather than Christ, it would be wron in <a href="http://www.covenantforum.com" target=_top>www.covenantforum.com</a> to say you are wrong and tell them the truth about Jesus. Did I get that right, Hubb?? That would be discourtious, eh???? You know Bill Loveless once accuse Des Ford of having the wrong tone. All these years of no reconciliation is about tone. I don't think so, especially when Loveless own Board at CUC in Silver Spring turned on him for his demeanor. Loveless is now a Marriage Counsellor, go figure.

bob_2 · 02-10-09 7:16 pm

I would further like to talk about tone. When Jesus said this: Matthew 23:27 "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean." Do you believe this was said in a whisper?? Is Christ our example? Is there a time to rebuke? Should one Christian stifle another's conscience when it is pricked to speak up against wrong truth or injustice??? Another incident in the Bible: <blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!>quote:John 2:13When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14In the temple courts he found men selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. 15So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. 16To those who sold doves he said, "Get these out of here! How dare you turn my Father's house into a market!" <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> Was this whispered?? I think I see an exclamation mark. What of tone and the message. Would you rather hear about a Fire at the top of the lungs of the Fireman, or have it whispered not to offend or scare??? This is being raised because one forum in particular feels it is unseemly to raise one's voice as truth is declared or wrong is pointed out, <a href="http://www.covenantforum.com" target=_top>www.covenantforum.com</a> . Is that correct, or just the "manager's" sensitivities??? In Des Ford's case at Glacierview, I can only imagine what Des had already been through, and the frustration level. Tone may have been the last thing on his mind. I know some that attended. One was our Pastor in Frederick, MD, he should no more have been there than the man in the moon. He was and administrative type, not a scholar. No wonder we hear of the tone of Des Ford with these type set to determine his fate. Yet, tone was what they accused Des of, not many knew the issues. I know my pastor was friends with Neal Wilson, there to stack the deck. No wonder Des walked away. I was a turning point in my life, to see him treated this way, and Hebrews ignored where it says that Jesus went right before His Father, not into the Holy Place but in to His Father in the Holy of Holies. EGW became devotional at that time. Courtesy was not the catch phrase of the day, but is at <a href="http://www.covenantforum.com" target=_top>www.covenantforum.com</a> , not truth. This is dangerous

bob_2 · 02-10-09 7:36 pm

How many layers to get approval to post at <a href="http://www.covenantforum.com" target=_top>www.covenantforum.com</a>. 1, 2, 3. or 4. Just for yucks and giggles, I dare you to try and get approved. I would caution you of a question asked of me by two co-moderators: "What are you going to do here?" Now they have the ability to eliminate, suspend and other wise create your demise. So why the question? Also, be prepared to tell them about you, then wait for them to find out who you are. And to possibly catagorize you for partial posting privilege, observing, or to be a "scholar" if your credentials are good enough, so it is safe to admit you to posting privileges, and you wouldn't be an embarrassment to them, even though they can delete your posts and you as a poster. Such paranoia. At this point, I got feeling like Des. Then like Des, I realized, it didn't matter. God forbid you should have been posting here on <a href="http://www.atomorrow.net" target=_top>www.atomorrow.net</a> or .com and appear "radical" to the two co-moderators, you may get a message like this: <blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!>quote:I don't think it is wise for you to post on Covenant Forum. I am responsible for making disciplinary decisions on Covenant Forum. I can not find a cooperative stance between us. It is better for me, and the calmness of the Forum, that you not be a member. I have not always felt this way. But in the flurry of recent posts, I cannot find common ground with you. <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> Peace is what they are looking for, I found, not truth, in fact the whole basis of the forum is based on questionable truth, IMO.

john8verse32 · 02-10-09 7:52 pm

is this what you are complaining about? they have rules, and want you to play by theirs, not yours? <img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/messages/5/487.jpg" alt=""> if they seek to provide a community where nobody questions anything, and they dismember posters who disagree because they already have all the truth, why would you (or anybody who thinks independantly - which I think you do!!!)want to be there? ...unless they offer fantastik happy hours and/or great pot luck dinners....

bob_2 · 02-10-09 8:40 pm

This is not play but trying to find truth. Christ's example was a little different, and it didn't involve happy hours, or did it, water to wine, etc. <img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/clipart/wink.gif" border=0>

elaine · 02-10-09 9:05 pm

Many blogs are essentially an online site for presenting the moderator(s) personal opinions and no opposing ideas are welcomed. That is perfectly fine, so why should those who like dialogues with varying opinions wish to post to such a blog?

bob_2 · 02-11-09 6:18 pm

If as Hubb has said on his own forum: "no one is wrong" yet we may differ.... Then why the charade of prejudgement, pre IJ to become members to state something for which I can not be wrong, yet can differ on, on his forum. I'm confused.

john8verse32 · 02-11-09 6:59 pm

I'm confused. could that be (one of) the reason(s) they don't seem overly anxious to welcome you with open arms?...ggg <img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/messages/5/509.jpg" alt=""> more likely, their minds are fully made up, and they believe yours is too...but different from theirs.... so why risk confusing the folks they prefer to attract with discordant views.... but is that so much different from your own occasional dismissal of viewpoints which disagree with yours?

bob_2 · 02-11-09 9:17 pm

Yeah, I can't torch the person like they can. Yet they wonder here at their leisure under free rules. Must be nice to get out once in a while. <img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/clipart/blush.gif" border=0>

elaine · 02-11-09 10:32 pm

Open your own forum, Bob,then you can make all the rules you wish.

bob_2 · 02-11-09 11:30 pm

No desire, it was offer once, but turned it down.

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