Abducted California boy, 3, found in Mexico

bob_2 · 05-17-09 2:59 am

All you parents and grandparents, now there is a scary thought: Abducted California boy, 3, found in Mexico <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/16/california.missing.boy/index.html?eref=rss_topstories" target=_top>http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/16/california.mis sing.boy/index.html?eref=rss_topstories</a>

neal · 05-18-09 1:15 pm

All you parents and grandparents, now there is a scary thought: It might be if I was an illegal alien, maybe involved in the drug trade, and lived on the Mexican border. Otherwise? Not a scary thought at all.

bob_2 · 05-18-09 11:52 pm

Just keep an eye on your own kids, Neal. Bad things have happened to those not living on the border.

neal · 05-19-09 8:45 am

Bad things have happened to those not living on the border. I was completely ignorant of that. Thanks for the advice.

john8verse32 · 05-19-09 2:36 pm

has anybody heard yet about this case? my bet is that its a domestic dispute...the mother wants to stay in the US illegally, and the father and his relatives had gone back to mexico, and returned to kidnap the boy... either way, our US laws are defacto separating families, as the child born in US hospitals (free to the illegals, the cost comes out of the hospital and therefore, from the rest of us) is recognized as a US citizen, while his illegal parents are not.... free obgyn should be reserved for legal citizens... and that might stem the tide of illegals hopping the border to pop out a US kid for free, and use the child as a "foundation" for them staying here too....and of course, obtaining welfare, food stamps, emergency housing...at your and my expense...like Obamas Aunt living in Boston illegally in public housing for at least the last 4 yrs..even after ordered to elave the country!!!! The demo's want this to continue, as it is your and my money they are giving away, AND it is expected that the illegals will vote democratic. <img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/messages/87/1316.jpg" alt="">

neal · 05-19-09 2:41 pm

... it is expected that the illegals will vote democratic. How do illegals vote? Personally, we should change our law on birth=citizenship the way New Zealand has: If the parents are permanent LEGAL RESIDENTS then the child is a Kiwi. Otherwise, tough.

john8verse32 · 05-19-09 3:26 pm

How do illegals vote? democrat illegally and invited to do so more and more on their "path to citizenship"

bob_2 · 05-19-09 10:32 pm

Show me someone hung up on the "dome" and I'll show you someone that can decipher code versus maturing growth and knowledge. Those of you hanging on to the dome and flat earth, that's your problem not others. Cute to make fun, however, a little wearisome when it's been discussed and gone over. Maybe you just don't have anything else to talk about. Ok, I'll play along!!!! Where on the flat earth under the dome was the slime pit, that by chance life crawled forth?????

john8verse32 · 05-19-09 11:26 pm

Where on the flat earth under the dome was the slime pit, that by chance life crawled forth????? sorry, Bob, but.... current thinking is that the chemicals and energy for life may have begun in the deep sea...in volcanic vents....but who really knows anything for sure except that the earth is not flat, and there is no dome, and there is no evidence that there were several million Hebrews camping out in the sinai escaping from Egypt...with nothing to drink or eat, except all the sand which is there. (ggg) so the really good news could be that since a lot of what we once believe as literal history probably was a local anthology of exaggerated campfire stories, maybe the God of theHebrews did NOT try to kill everybody with a flood...nor did He murder all the Egyptian firstborn boys!!! so there you have the possibility of a Loving God again. Cute to make fun, however, a little wearisome ... r u talking about your continuing making fun of Elaine? who has shown herself to be 10 times the scholar you (or I) are..... Why not drop it.

neal · 05-20-09 8:44 am

Show me someone hung up on the "dome" and I'll show you someone that can decipher code versus maturing growth and knowledge. Those of you hanging on to the dome and flat earth, that's your problem not others. To which I will say: Show me someone hung up on "Adam & Eve" and I'll show you someone that can decipher code versus maturing growth and knowledge. Those of you hanging on to "Adam & Eve" and the Flood, that's your problem not others. Bob, maybe it gets wearisome for you because the dome conclusively proves the absurdity of the basis of your belief in the story of creation as written down by the genocidal maniac goat herding polygamists in what you call The Word of God. If its the Word of God, that god is as ignorant as the goat herder's pagan neighbors.

bob_2 · 05-20-09 11:16 pm

Do you, John, really live in Massachusetts??? Can you prove it? Neal, you can't seem to accept people, including Chistopher Columbus and some of his friends, thought he might sail off the end of the earth until certain people circumnavigated the earth. Why hung up on that view of simple people writing what they thought they were seeing?

john8verse32 · 05-20-09 11:26 pm

simple people writing what they thought that would be fine if we had not been told that God inspired them with what to write. and the writers time and time again claim things that God told them which today we either do not understand, or maybe even disagree with. Jacob cheated his uncle Laban by raising extra speckled goats...which he got to keep...andhow did he do this? by having the goats do it goat-style while staring at striped sticks...something which we know today wouldnot affect the outcome of the breeding process....yet, thebible writers, goat herders if you will, claimed that God HELPED Jacob in this way....so they claim thateven God didn't understand how genetics work. either that, or He caused a miracle to happen, and the purpose? to help one guy cheat the other!!! so the Story which we all once read , well, maybe some of us read, but without discernment, claims that God is either ignorant of genetics, or is a cheater for his friends!!! which do you prefer? of course, there is my suggestion that the writers of the Old Texts were NOT inspired either verbally or thematically...meaning much of whatwe once thought was the innerrant word of God could turn out to be musings of ignorant goat herders exaggerating their ancestors great importance in their (mis)understanding of science and world history.

neal · 05-21-09 8:56 am

Why hung up on that view of simple people writing what they thought they were seeing? Bob I'll 'second' what John wrote: that would be fine if we had not been told that God inspired them with what to write. If the Bible contains what the writers thought they saw, then it leads to the conclusion that the Word of God is just the writers beliefs back in the bronze age. Which has been my conclusion for many years: Its the Word of Goatherders, not the Word of God that christians claim it is.

bob_2 · 05-22-09 7:16 am

Neal, modern science by the ancients, nice thought, nice wish. That apparently isn't the way God works, he works with what he has, and what they can understand in their own way at the time. Why is that so hard for John and you to understand. You want to pick a fight with God, I think!!!

neal · 05-22-09 9:09 am

Neal, modern science by the ancients, nice thought, nice wish. Wrong. You claim its the Word of God. God knows everything. Why is the Word of God wrong so many times about so many things about the natural world He supposedly created? That apparently isn't the way God works.... The god of the Bible seems to work just like all the gods of the other ancient people- by trial and error figured out by humans. The Babylonians had creation and flood stories which were wrong. The Zoroastrians (Persians) had domes and towers in their beliefs before the hebrews. The Egyptians practiced the special gift from God known as circumcision at least 600 years before Abraham. The Zoroastrians had beliefs about a celstial war between good and evil, The Way, sacred bushes, baptism, an after life, and angels before the hebrews appropriated them and claimed them as their own. ... he works with what he has, and what they can understand in their own way at the time. That is absurd. Several days in a whale? Impregnation by an invisible spirit? A fiery chariot on the way to God's home on the dome? A talking, burning bush? A god writing on a rock? A boat that was beyond all imagination or capabilities of the time? Dead people coming back to life? Angels flying around Egypt killing all the first born sons of Egyptians? But they wouldn't be able to comprehend a round earth? Or stars that are suns of faraway solar sytems in distant galaxies? Your feeble argument is nonsensical and a sign of desperation. Why is that so hard for John and you to understand. Speaking for myself, the acceptance of the Biblical absurdities is what's hard to understand. You are implying that God is a liar and is ignorant about His own creation with your desparate apologetics. You want to pick a fight with God, I think!!! Your "think"ing leaves much to be desired. Pointing out the goatherders primitive falsehoods is the ethical thing to do.

john8verse32 · 05-22-09 9:20 am

but the story of Jacob and the striped sticks and speckled goats says that God blessed Jacob in this way.... so either God was using magic to change the nature of genetics, in order to cheat Uncle laban, and make Jacob rich, or this was one of many campfire stories told by Jacobs descendants years later to explain how their tribe of goat herders had become rich in livestock, and had become such a major force in the entire (then known) world that later God would even stop the suns circuit around the earth so the Hebrews could continue the massacre of their neighbors, killing even the little boys and any women who had had sex, but saving the virgins to "use", thereby indicating that even God didn't know/realize/care that this would dilute the unique genetic identity of His "chosen" tribe... and that God didn't care about all the pain, suffering, and rape suffered by the Hebrews neighbors. which do you prefer? God helps a cheater using magic? or the ancient Hebrews fantasized myths for their kids to show how important they were (meaning we might no longer need to blame God for all the murder, mayhem, and maliciousness in the OT)

bob_2 · 05-22-09 11:34 pm

Read this: <blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!>quote:Daniel 12:4 (King James Version) 4But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> So if knowledge is to increase, why didn't God instill it from the beginning. I think you are constructing a straw man, and it can be knocked over rather easily. Man grew in knowledge as Jesus did as a boy, as he increased in knowledge to manhood, why didn't He come out of the womb with the High Priests debating Him from the Manger??? Just a thought.

neal · 05-26-09 8:44 am

So if knowledge is to increase, why didn't God instill it from the beginning. Understanding that Genesis is false is belief revision, not an increase in knowledge. The Bible writers claimed they had the true knowledge. Now we actually have the truth. This truth that we now know discredits your claim that the Bible is true. If the Book of Daniel claimed that Truth would increase, it would have been a good fit for your thesis. Knowledge has increased in the areas of biology, geography, morality, etc. Truth has increased in the areas of cosmology, age of the earth, length of time life has been on this planet, etc. And, BTW Bob, doesn't Revelation say that the angel told the writer to leave the scroll open as it was the end of time? Even if you believe the falsehood that Daniel was written in Babylon circa 500 BC that would only make 600 years between the command to keep the scroll rolled up till the end of time and Revelation claiming that the 2nd century (or whenever you believe that fiction was written) WAS the end of time.

neal · 05-26-09 11:21 am

I said:<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!>quote:Personally, we should change our law on birth=citizenship the way New Zealand has: If the parents are permanent LEGAL RESIDENTS then the child is a Kiwi. Otherwise, tough.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> <a href="http://www.atomorrow.net/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=87&post=5160#POST5160" target=_top>http://www.atomorrow.net/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?t pc=87&post=5160#POST5160</a> A congressman from Georgia is out talking up this idea. No citizen parent or legal US resident parent = baby not citizen. <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/26/nathan-deal-georgia-lawma_n_207485.html" target=_top>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/26/nathan-de al-georgia-lawma_n_207485.html</a> Been a long time since I've seen a republican with a good idea.

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