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Madoff, an Orthodox jew, and now Stanford was roommates with his CEO at Baylor in Waco... (Something in the water down there?) <BR> <BR>Then those two meet a young woman at church and she becomes there CIO. <BR> <BR>And proceed to rip off $8,000,000,000. <BR> <BR>Hmmmmm<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1><b>quote:</b></font><p><b><font size="+1">Small-Town ‘Christians’ Ran Stanford Dynasty</font> <BR> <BR>By Editor on March 1, 2009</b> <BR> <BR>--snip-- <BR> <BR>... a small group of associates - a number of them apparently <font color="ff0000">committed Christians</font> - who were dubbed the “Baldwyn set” by other Stanford employees. The nickname comes from the small Mississippi town where Ms Pendergest-Holt and Mr Davis grew up and from where they would run much of the tycoon’s empire.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> <BR><a href="http://westorlandonews.com/2009/03/01/small-town-christians-ran-stanford-dynasty/" target=_top>http://westorlandonews.com/2009/03/01/small-town-c hristians-ran-stanford-dynasty/</a>
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The point????
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That one Orthodox Jew can outperform a bunch of red-state republican christians? <BR> <BR>(Message edited by neal on March 02, 2009)
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That religiosity is no predictor of morality?
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Should the churches/Baylor give back the ill-gotten donations?
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??
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Individuals act individually. There Jewishness or Christianness, can't be a predictor of what evil or good they will produce. Clinton was impeached, but I think I regularly saw him and her coming out of a Methodist Church. Does that mean Methodist are more in to oral sex than other denomination?? That is silly reasoning, similar to what you are suggesting. I dont' see any causal reasons the direction you are probing.
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Sounds more like a Jewish nighmare thriller: <BR> <BR><a href="http://nymag.com/news/businessfinance/54703/" target=_top>http://nymag.com/news/businessfinance/54703/</a>
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<font color="0000ff">Individuals act individually.</font> <BR> <BR>DUH! <BR> <BR><font color="0000ff">There Jewishness or Christianness, can't be a predictor of what evil or good they will produce.</font> <BR> <BR>Research has shown that there is a correlation between religiosity and immorality. The most religious parts of this country have the highest rates of teen pregnancy, abortions, murder, rape, etc. <BR> <BR>I don't see how a jew and a christian committing adultery falsifies the thesis. <BR> <BR><font color="0000ff">Clinton was impeached, but I think I regularly saw him and her coming out of a Methodist Church. Does that mean Methodist are more in to oral sex than other denomination??</font> <BR> <BR>Maybe you could study the ratio of men to women in each denomination to help you with that question. <BR> <BR><font color="0000ff">That is silly reasoning, similar to what you are suggesting. I dont' see any causal reasons the direction you are probing.</font> <BR> <BR>You are continually claiming that somehow non-believers have no basis for morality. That somehow being a christian is some higher level of thinking or morality. The evidence contradicts your position. Not that you pay much attention to evidence. <BR> <BR>Just last night you were expounding on the religious benefits to Ben Carson. Less than 24 hours later you seem to be pulling an <i>ad hoc</i> response out of thin air completely contrary to your previous assertions.
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Evolutionists have to deal with consciousness and how it came to be and for what purpose. A soul for what purpose? <BR> <BR>But Jewish were the ones crying for Christ to be crucified, you want me to feel sorry for Madoff and his buddy Ezra. <BR> <BR>Hard to make an argument like you have on this stuff. They were greedy Jews, at least Madoff, Ezra sounds like he was too trusting of Madoff. <BR> <BR>John is just proving in another thread that the Jews did some pretty evil things, maybe Madoff is just a continuation of those evil deeds, eh???
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So your reasoning is, don't have any religion because some religious people do bad things. Good logic, Neal. I'm sure the world will rush to your aid and pick up swords to help you in your crusade. NOT. <BR> <BR>By the way, could you supply the source of the study saying that religious people do more crime. You missed giving it. <BR> <BR>(Message edited by Bob_2 on March 02, 2009)
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I think if you watched the Ben Carson story you saw the benefit of the discipline of a religious mother. Had he had a non religious mother, we can only speculate on the out come, sort of a silly exercise. You looking for more non religious believers for your side, Neal. To what end???? <BR> <BR>I'm not sure I have ever said that religious people don't do bad things,[in fact there is story told by Jesus of the wheat and the tares, the sheep and the goats] I can tell you some stories. I believe like I said in Ben Carson's situation it helped him. If you read the book you get that impression even more so. I am not saying every religious persone will turn out to be a famous brain surgeon. Is that what you are trying to get me to say, Neal. What was the quote you got stirred up about, maybe I can clarify it for you.
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<font color="0000ff">John is just proving in another thread that the Jews did some pretty evil things....</font> <BR> <BR>If you had read your holy book you would already know what John is pointing out. <BR> <BR>I believe if you took the time to read your sacred text you would have a different opinion than what you spout now. Currently, much of your writings are <i>arguments from ignorance</i>. (That is the name of a logical fallacy... not necessarily a reference to you).
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Bob <BR> <BR>You have jumped from the sexual habits of Methodists to the evil tendencies of jews to claims that there is a soul without defending your claim that the bible believers have the only basis for morality. <BR> <BR>The evidence shows your belief to be false. <BR> <BR>The Madoff scandal, the Stanford scandal, the Monica scandal, and the research on the porn subscribers are just anecdotal points in the story that proves religiosity leads to a higher level of immoral or unethical behavior. <BR> <BR>To top it off you say one thing about Ben Carson one day and then forget completely about that assertion and claim the opposite in this thread today. <BR> <BR>Maybe you should get your thinking straight instead of just attempting to argue the opposite of anything anybody says. You seem to be confusing yourself and mixing up your stories.
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Bob enjoys arguing, even with himself. Usually, because he doesn't remember his previous statements.
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Elaine, what?
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<b><font color="0000ff">'Believers are happier than atheists' <BR></font></b> <BR> <BR>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1581994/'Believers-are-happier-than-atheists'.html <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>(Message edited by Bob_2 on March 03, 2009)
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So the believers, Madoff the Orthodox Jew and the Small-Town Christian Stanford Gang are happier than Gates and Buffett? <BR> <BR>Interesting! <BR> <BR>Or were you posting your brilliant find on the wrong thread?
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Don't know why I posted it there, but it was meant for you so it doesn't matter since you found it. <img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/clipart/happy.gif" border=0>
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Bob <BR> <BR>I sit in front of 8 screens and read between 500 & 1000 news stories every day. <BR> <BR>Unless your link is to some obscure apologist nut site I am certain to have already seen whatever 'research' or 'news' that you post. <BR> <BR>I believe your story about happier believers has been around for quite a while. If you have some great insight into some speculation on how that benefits your position then I'd say it's like showing me some research showing that kids who believe in Santa are happier than kids that don't. <BR> <BR>Means nothing as to whether Santa exists or, if he does, whether he delivers presents down the chimney one night a year.
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In your world Neal, polls of this nature are worthless at one month, one year, 5 years. When does the information become obsolete after making its debut on one of your 8 screens.
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In your world Neal, polls of this nature are worthless at one month, one year, 5 years. When does the information become obsolete after making its debut on one of your 8 screens.
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<font color="0000ff">When does the information become obsolete after making its debut on one of your 8 screens.</font> <BR> <BR>Did I say the poll was obsolete? No. <BR> <BR>You stated that you wanted me to see it. If you want to 'show' me something that I haven't seen be a little quicker than a day or 2 as I will have most likely already seen it. <BR> <BR>If you wanted me to respond- I did. Its as meaningless as a poll showing kids are happier if they believe in Santa.
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If you can bring forth such a poll about Santa believers versus non-Santa believers, I'd love to read it, but to drag Santa into a poll on believers versus atheists is just silly and sacriligious, IMO.
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<font color="0000ff">... silly and sacriligious...</font> <BR> <BR>Oh NO!!! Wait, that's right, seems like your God quit smiting humans with lightning bolts at the end of the bronze age. <BR> <BR>Carry on.
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