Obamacare won't cover illegal immigrants?

bob_2 · 09-11-09 8:56 pm

<center>Obamacare won't cover illegal immigrants? Yes it will, says Congressional Research Service</center> <a href="http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Obamacare-wont-cover-illegal-immigrants--55021087.html" target=_top>http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/be ltway-confidential/Obamacare-wont-cover-illegal-im migrants--55021087.html</a>

dcb · 09-11-09 9:31 pm

The Washington Examiner wins the Pulitzer Prize for Troll Readership every year.

elaine · 09-11-09 11:04 pm

Sorry, Bob, "Obamacare" is NOT private insurance, but how would you know the difference. To repeat: why would a private insurance company not wish to sell as much insurance as possible--just like any other commodity--cars, cell phones, etc., if there is a paying customer, the government will not step in and prevent a sale of a legal commodity. If guns are legal and sold nearly everywhere, why the fuss over selling insurance. Or, don't you know the difference between "private" and "public."

bob_2 · 09-11-09 11:06 pm

Ok, so you don't like the Washington Examiner, lets hear your dislike for this source: Obamacare for illegal aliens, revisited <a href="http://michellemalkin.com/2009/08/26/obamacare-for-illegal-aliens-revisited/" target=_top>http://michellemalkin.com/2009/08/26/obamacare-for -illegal-aliens-revisited/</a>

bob_2 · 09-11-09 11:09 pm

Yes, ObamaCare will likely cover illegal aliens <a href="http://www.examiner.com/x-7812-DC-SCOTUS-Examiner~y2009m8d20-Yes-ObamaCare-will-likely-cover-illegal-aliens" target=_top>http://www.examiner.com/x-7812-DC-SCOTUS-Examiner~ y2009m8d20-Yes-ObamaCare-will-likely-cover-illegal -aliens</a>

bob_2 · 09-11-09 11:13 pm

The proof that ObamaCare will cover illegal immigrants <blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!>quote:1. Does Not Require Proof of Citizenship to Obtain Health Services: While Section 246 (page 143) of the bill expressly prohibits illegal aliens from receiving government-run healthcare, the bill does not include a specific requirement that a person prove his or her citizenship in order to obtain affordability credits, which means that illegal aliens could obtain coverage. Section 152 states that "all health care and related services (including insurance coverage and public health activities) covered by this Act shall be provided without regard to personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high quality health care or related services". This provision has the potential to include illegal immigrants because it may interpret "personal characteristics" to include legal status (Pages 50-51, 143). 2. Requires That If One Family Member Is Covered, All Members Covered: Another provision states that if one member of a family is afforded coverage all members would have coverage, thereby creating another loophole to give taxpayer-subsidized health care to illegal aliens. If a child of illegal aliens is born in the United States, then the entire family becomes eligible for coverage (Page 133). <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> <a href="http://www.examiner.com/x-17412-Macon-County-Conservative-Examiner~y2009m9d8-The-proof-that-ObamaCare-will-cover-illegal-immigrants" target=_top>http://www.examiner.com/x-17412-Macon-County-Conse rvative-Examiner~y2009m9d8-The-proof-that-ObamaCar e-will-cover-illegal-immigrants</a>

bob_2 · 09-11-09 11:16 pm

<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!>quote:As columnist Jay Ambrose notes, “Democrats want to make it impossible to find out if an applicant for benefits is here illegally or not, despite specific wording in bills saying they don’t qualify. Republicans have tried on a number of occasions to include amendments requiring more than what Democrats want — just writing down a Social Security number that will never be checked — and the answer is, oh my, this is an invasion of privacy, or that mistakes could result. It’s an invasion of privacy to find out whether someone is or is not a citizen and therefore eligible for something taxpayers are providing? What blather. All of us have to produce IDs of one kind or another on a host of different occasions, from driver’s licenses, to passports, to birth certificates. As for mistakes, tell me one single interaction between the government and citizens in which mistakes are not possible. I am waiting. I am still waiting. ‘Saying that illegal immigrants cannot benefit while at the same time blocking verification is akin to passing a law that sets the legal drinking age at 21 years and then preventing bars from checking a patron’s identification,’ writes Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, in an op-ed piece in The Washington Times, and it seems to me that about says it.” Covering illegal aliens is problematic because they lack the same responsibilities as citizens. Illegal immigrants are exempt from the taxes and penalties contained in ObamaCare, even though they are effectively able to access its benefits due to the lack of eligibility verification safeguards. Illegal immigrants should not receive preference. <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> <a href="http://www.openmarket.org/2009/08/20/yes-obamacare-would-likely-cover-illegal-aliens/" target=_top>http://www.openmarket.org/2009/08/20/yes-obamacare -would-likely-cover-illegal-aliens/</a>

bob_2 · 09-11-09 11:33 pm

WH ON HEALTH CARE, ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS <blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!>quote:From NBC's Mike Viqueira The White House tonight is providing the below clarification on what the president's health-care proposals would mean when it comes to the issue of illegal immigrants. The question, as we all know, arises from the Wilson "You lie" outburst, and the core claim that notwithstanding specific bill language barring illegal immigrants from participating in the "exchange," as a practical matter, there is no way of verifying the citizenship of applicants -- which is the current state of play. Republicans say that then means illegal immigrants would end up being enrolled in plans -- bill language or no bill language. Today, for the first time as far as we know, the administration is backing a provision that would require proof of citizenship before someone could enroll in a plan selected on the exchange. Here, the administration also concedes that hospitals would be compensated with public funds for the care of undocumented immigrants. The bullet points sent tonight by the White House: <ul><li>Undocumented immigrants would not be able to buy private insurance on the exchange. Those who are lawfully present in this country would be able to participate. <LI>Undocumented immigrants would be able to buy insurance in the non-exchange private market, just as they do today. That market will shrink as the exchange takes hold, but it will still exist and will be subject to reforms such as the bans on pre-existing conditions and caps. <LI>Verification will be required when purchasing health insurance on the exchange. One option is the SAVE program (Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements) which states currently use to make sure that undocumented immigrants don't participate in safety-net programs for which they are ineligible. <LI>There would be no change in the law that requires emergency rooms to treat people who need emergency care, including undocumented immigrants. There is already a federal grant program that compensates states for emergency room costs associated with treatment of undocumented immigrants, a provision sponsored by a Republican lawmaker. </li></ul> <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> Finally the truth, eh???and from msnbc, too!!! <a href="http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/09/11/2065287.aspx" target=_top>http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/09/11/ 2065287.aspx</a>

elaine · 09-12-09 9:54 pm

Why not Medicare for all. Those of us over 65 have been enjoying this program for years. I go to the doctor or hospital of my choice and my taxes pay all the bills. I don't feel that the government is meddling in my life when it pays my doctor and hospital feels. There are some things the government does that I don't like--most notably getting us into needless wars that cost many times what health care for all Americans would cost. Investing in the health of our citizens will enhance the well-being and security of the nation. We know that Medicare has worked well for half a century for those of us over 65. Why does it suddenly become "socialized medicine" when we extend it to younger Americans. We recently bailed out the finance houses and banks to the tune of $700 billion. A country that can afford such an outlay while paying for wars in Iraq and Afghanistan can afford to do what every other advanced democray has done: underwrite quality health care for all its citizens. As matters now stand, the insurance companies claim $450 billion a year of our health-care dollars. They will fight hard to hold on to this bonanza. This is a major reason Amerians pay more for health care per capita than any other people in the world. The insurance executives didn't cry "socialism" when their buddies in banking and finance were bailed out. But to them it is socialism if the government underwrites the cost of health care. The chairman and ranking minority member of the Senate Finance Committee, which has jurisdiction over health-care legislation, Chairman Max Baucus of Montana, a Democrat, and his political action committee have received nearly $4million from the health-care lobby since 2003. The ranking Republican, Charles Grassley of Iowa, has received more than $2million. In December 2007, the 124,000-member American College of Physicians endorsed for the first time a single-payer national health insurance program. And a March 2008 study by Indiana University--the largest survey ever of doctors' opinions on financing health-care reform--concluded that 59% of doctors support national health insurance.

Adventists for Tomorrow

Announcement

#1 09-11-09 8:56 pm