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Well, Mr.Uneducated 57+ year old, proof for transcendent events can't then use science to try to prove them - and that is the point. <BR> <BR>(Message edited by sirje on February 21, 2009)
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Bob <BR> <BR>Re: Your post from yesterday at 3:44 <BR> <BR>I do enjoy responding to your posts that are at least on the verge of appearing to come from a coherent thought process. However, some posts, such as the one referenced as 3:44, would take more time than there are hours in a day just to get it into a form that would be acceptable for a response. Stringing terms together such as "transcendent events" is so oxy<font color="ff0000">moronic</font> as to deny the possibility of a response. <BR> <BR>If you would be so kind as to at least put in the minimal effort necessary to accurately convey into the post what your brain is actually thinking so that a response is possible it would be helpful to those of us that are not able to read your mind across the room, let alone across state lines. <BR> <BR>If the 3:44 post DOES accurately convey your thoughts please don't hold your breath while waiting for an answer from moi.
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Neal, I don't have any hope of changing your mind as an atheist or protagonist sent occasionally by J.R. just to stir things up. I really don 't have time for your games, and will as of now cease attmpting to converse with you. Enjoy the forum, but Atheism has no hope for anyone.
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If I were looking for stories of hope to believe I could find better ones than what is in your favorite book-you-haven't-read. <BR> <BR>I prefer truthful over hopeful. <BR> <BR>If you want hopeful go to Las Vegas. At least there you can also get lucky.
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At least there are more than a few of us here who are totally unable to unravel the thought processes of Bob. Perhaps he was hit by a rock as a kid? Or, another explanation? <BR> <BR>The consistent "fallback" position is to label everyone with a different view as atheistic. That settles the matter, conveniently, for him. Also it avoids getting hopelessly entangled in logical or debatable arguments. Simply throw "atheist" out and run for cover.
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but I bet Bob is also (at least partially) athiestic.... <BR> <BR>I bet he doesn't believe in Marduk, or Zeus, or Allah.... while millions of people do/did. <BR> <BR>he is just selective in what he disbelieves.
If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons?
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Elaine when you put forth some of your short-circuited thinking, I understand Joe Biden better. He had a brain aneurism, what possibly, short of partial alzheimer's disease could be your problem? <img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/clipart/kiss.gif" border=0> Ma'am?
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John, keep looking for those answers, guy. You're doing a good job, Brownie!!!<img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/clipart/lol.gif" border=0>
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If a tanscendent God initiated the Flood, can science discover its origins? If our Orgins were indeed Creation by a transcendant God, will man with science ever find the answer if they omit things transcendant. <BR> <BR>Elaine, can you and others now understand the point, or do you still feel science is without its own problems of discovering answers??
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Bob, are you talking to yourself again?<img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/clipart/talker.gif" border=0>
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or....maybe..... <BR> <BR><img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/messages/14/640.jpg" alt="">
If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons?
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Sirje, you can be rude sometimes, even in Nova Scotia.
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What! Me? No, I just saw you posting to yourself and became concerned. <img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/clipart/kiss.gif" border=0> <BR> <BR>Actually, I'm from New York originally. That might account for it. <BR> <BR>(Message edited by sirje on February 22, 2009)
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Case you didn't notice the post wasn't to you , but to Elaine. Now you can take Elaine's name out of my post, and pretend it is not there, but in reality, not fantasyland, it is there, and it was meant to go to her. Sorry to burst your bubble.
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Sirje, nice attempt at a moderator. Maybe write to Ryan and apply, eh????<img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/clipart/kiss.gif" border=0>
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Three posts in a 10 1/2 hr span without a reply .... <BR>But OK, I stand reprimanded. You win again. Feel free to resume. <BR> <BR>On second thought, if you can call me rude, what should we call you when you opine that perhaps Elaine is operating under the influence of Alzheimer's and you continually bring up her age and level of education. I know Elaine can fend for herself but your attitude toward her is offensive and you need to be told as much. <BR> <BR>Now, you may resume making whatever point you were making.
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Bob's pathetic attempt to castigate his superiors only emphasizes his puny defensiveness. <BR>Remindful of the flea who continued to attack an elephant and wondered why the elephant was totally unperturbed.
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Elaine are you my superior or my elder??? And if I'm on a role, I don't count the posts, sorry Sirje, but I'm glad on Oscar night I have you counting mine. Thanks, fan!!!!
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Take your pick.
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You sure are superior to me so maybe my elder. I respect your age, not your reasoning though. Illogical reasoning at any age should be exposed for what it is, and the terror it instills in people like Maggie.
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<font color="0000ff">Illogical reasoning at any age should be exposed for what it is</font>...Bob-2 <BR> <BR>my mom taught me that its not enuf to be right, you also have to be persuasive. <BR> <BR>sometimes being <b><i>loud</i></b> and speaking in all CAPS will compensate in the attention getting area, but the value of ones ideas and ideals is usually what convinces others of the value of our opinions. <BR> <BR>worse: when one is both wrong, AND loud, as sometimes happens, the combination deters others from even considering the value of our suggestions. <BR> <BR>I tried to write that suggestion as "quietly" as possible... <BR> <BR><font color="0000ff">I respect your age, not your reasoning though.</font> <BR> <BR>wouldn't it be better to respect both her age and reasoning, even if disagreeing with her conclusions? <BR> <BR>I often differ with others conclusions, while at the same time expecting that their reasoning process is working...and that, once provided with "new information", they might be able to reasonably make a "new decision". <BR> <BR>I'll come down off my invisible high horse now, and get back to participating in the (human) race.... <BR> <BR><img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/messages/14/645.jpg" alt="">
If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons?
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John said: <BR> <BR><font color="0000ff">Illogical reasoning at any age should be exposed for what it is..</font> <BR> <BR>I concur, John ... <BR> <BR>Bob
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<b>"Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength." </b> Eric Hoffer
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Elaine, where is your women's lib "man's/woman's", wouldn't that be appropriate here???
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This topic is not all one sided, the excerpt below shows that it Christian Communism can work, but Soviet style communism is cruel and hateful: <BR> <BR><blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1><b>quote:</b></font><p>Christianity and Communism <BR> <BR>Let us now examine the question of the relationship of Christianity with Communism more precisely, to that particular form of communism which has now appeared as an attempt to realize the ideas of socialism. This form of communism emerged in history as a sworn and bitter enemy of Christianity. For its part, Christianity recognizes it as completely alien and inimical with itself. <BR> <BR>The history of the Church in apostolic times reveals that, in those times, it had its own Christian communism and the faithful held everything common, as the Acts of the Apostles says. Even now, this Christian communism exists in the form of Koenobitic monasticism. Both the concept and reality of communal property is a bright, idealistically elevated type of Christian inter-relationship, examples of which have always existed in the Orthodox Church. <BR> <BR>How great is the difference between such Christian communism and Soviet communism! One is as far from the other as the heavens are from the earth. Christian communism is not an independent self-motivated goal to which Christianity might strive. Rather, it is an inheritance bred of that spirit of love by which the Church has breathed from the first. Moreover, Christian communism is totally voluntary. No one says, "Give us what is yours, it belongs to us," rather, Christians themselves sacrificed so that "none of them considered any of their possessions to be their own." <BR> <BR>The communalism of property in Soviet communism is a self-motivated goal which must be attained no matter what the consequences and regardless of any considerations. The builders of this type of communism are attaining it by purely violent means, not balking at any measure, even the slaughter of all those who do not agree... The bases of this communism are not freedom, as in Christian communism, but force; not sacrificial love, but envy and hatred. <BR> <BR>...<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> <BR> <BR> <BR><a href="http://www.orthodoxphotos.com/readings/law/christianity.shtml" target=_top>http://www.orthodoxphotos.com/readings/law/christi anity.shtml</a> <BR> <BR>I am sure the rest of the article is as good as the first part.
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