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Let me drive the point home. Who here can visualize or does visualize what the inside of the dingy looked like when the marksmen slid down the tow line into the dingy. Bullets between the eyes of the three Somalians, blood splatter inside the boat, and on the rescued Captain?? <BR> <BR>Oh you say, Bob, you are so horrible to think about that stuff. Really. That is what Maggie was doing before she left, visualizing wicked people being burned alive in a lake of fire, and possibly their kids, judged by a righteous God that they should be destroyed also. You want to second guess the wisdom of almighty God the creator of those individuals? Not me. I like dwelling on the reward promised to the righteous. <BR> <BR>Oh, I don't want that reward if he is going to destroy the way I'm visualizing the destruction of sin. You can have that kind of God. Really??? You are willing to make that final call???
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Bob, I don't believe I have seen where you admit to either reading the entire Bible, or that you have not read it in its entirety. Since you are the one questioning, let's have your answer first. <BR> <BR>Whether or not you have, you ignore all the contradictions found therein, rather than honestly admitting that they are there. <BR> <BR>Who ya foolin'?
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Elaine, <BR> <BR>Do you believe that there are difficult passages in the Bible? Do you believe that there is not a single valid and or logical resolution to any difficult Bible passage? <BR> <BR>Personally, I have seen many difficult passages; however, I have also seen logical resolutions to these passages. In many cases, more than one possible logical resolution is available. <BR> <BR>I have never seen you or John point out any possible logical resolutions to any of the passages that you both question. <BR> <BR>I have posted many links that offer valid logical resolutions from PhD level Bible scholars; yet you or John have not even acknowledged the arguments posited by these scholars, or pointed out why you disagree with their stated positions. <BR> <BR>As a scholar, aren't you trained to look at more than one side of an issue? Is there any responsibility on the part of a scholar to at the very least, acknowledge other viewpoints, and then point out why they disagree? <BR> <BR>(Message edited by pilgrim99 on April 15, 2009) <BR> <BR>(Message edited by pilgrim99 on April 15, 2009)
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Neal, already told you that I admited it to him. Where you been. He has taken every opportunity to mock me about that admission. Renie, came to your defense today when I asked for your answer but she never corrected Neal for his mockery. [I still love you Renie] But why is it that ATomorrow has become the "Tear Down the Word of God" forum and not the "Preach the Gospel" forum. If you want to be a Text Critic, go to some more school and become one. I had never heard of the position until I started researching these "apparent contradictions" and scholars greater than you or I or any posters here, including Neal, said they would reserve their judgement on "apparent contradictions", at least definitive judgment on them, because they were not Text Critics. Elaine, John and Neal have stolen the show and they aren't even close to being official Text Critics and you all have people hanging on your every word. <BR> <BR>OK, Let's trash the Bible, now what. Where do you turn, Elaine, for your guide to eternal life. There isn't one. Unless you have one, I respectfully tell you to "shut up".
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Hi Elaine! <BR> <BR><font color="0000ff">Who ya foolin'?</font> <BR> <BR>Himself. For example, he claims to be a huge proponent of New Covenant Theology yet last year he admitted that Ezekial (as he misspelled it) wasn't a book that was pertinent to salvation! <BR> <BR>However, the problem is, 'Ezekial' is the source of Paul's premise about the New Covenant! <BR> <BR>What a joke poor Bob is. <BR> <BR>Paul was wrong about the prophecy in Ezekiel (it was non-conditional and was to be fulfilled on the hebrew's return from Babylon by God himself writing His laws on their hearts doing away with the need for instruction from the priests). <BR> <BR>How can you figure out FOR YOURSELF what is truth if you accept the conclusion of Paul without ever having even READ the document he based his conclusion on? <BR> <BR>Bob has no credibility as he has none of his own conclusions. Its like a kid just regurgitating whatever the teacher says without understanding or studying a single concept for themselves.
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<font color="0000ff"> Unless you have one, I respectfully tell you to "shut up".</font> <BR> <BR>I have never seen such disrespect in my life. <BR> <BR>Bob, you are a despicable person to say such things to such an educated, elderly lady. Maybe you don't agree with her conclusions, but at least she has studied it. <BR> <BR>Again, despicable.
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Neal, it's rather sad to see this forum almost completely taken over by Bob. Just look at the names will tell you who does more posting by far than anyone else. He needs to get a life.
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It's quite noticeable that his brother, Don, seldom posts here anymore. Never were two brothers more different. (Unless, perhaps, Cain and Abel?)
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<font color="0000ff"> He needs to get a life.</font> <BR> <BR>I think this IS his social life. <BR> <BR>I at least thought he would go out tea-bagging with the neo-nazis today but doesn't even look like he could pull himself away long enough to do that. <BR> <BR>I think I'm about done here. I might come back if he gets run over by a truck or something. Seems to be about the only thing that could stop his pathetic rambling cut-n-pastes.
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So Elaine, did you read the Bible from cover to cover, you know I didn't, now your answer.
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Neal is not a good judge of respect, anybody reading this. In fact I don't think I need to even point that out for anyone reading this forum regularly. It is why I am insisting that Elaine answer the question, Did you read the Bible cover to cover or just study it as Neal points out, that you studied it, but doesn't say you read it cover to cover which he is using as a marker for me.
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Elaine, if you have some time, which I do right now, you are welcome to take time away from posting on Spectrum and other forums and direct it here. Be honest about where you spend your time. I don't post on Spectrum or SDAnet if you still do. So I have more time to post here. OK????
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<font color="0000ff">Neal is not a good judge of respect....</font> <BR> <BR>A naked tribesman in the Amazon jungle would know not to treat Elaine like you just did. <BR> <BR>There is nothing to judge. Only an immoral christian would pull what you just did. <BR> <BR>And Bob, somebody near my own age that is an ignorant jerk such as yourself deserves no respect except from maybe his kids. I am not your kid.
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Bob, <BR> <BR>I appreciate your postings, they sometimes give me food for thought, and I don't always agree with your approach, but I'm glad that you are concerned with Kingdom issues instead of hanging out drinking, or spending time on the seamy side of the internet. <BR> <BR>Please do not be discouraged. <BR> <BR>Peace
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<font color="0000ff">I don't post on Spectrum or SDAnet if you still do.</font> <BR> <BR>That is misleading unless you actually still have posting privileges at those sites. <BR> <BR>Are you able to post at those sites?
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Neal the point is where does Elaine spend her time, you can see where I spend my time, eh. Elaine raised it.
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I'll take that as meaning that you are BANNED from those sites. <BR> <BR>This is the only place you CAN post so you spend all your free time flailing away. <BR> <BR>What happened to your family? You don't seem to spend much time with them.
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Get on topic Neal or go away, Ryan may have to reinforce if he is reading. He is the sole moderator and it his job, Neal, whether you or I like it.
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<font color="0000ff">Get on topic Neal or go away</font> <BR> <BR>When you are too embarrassed to answer you start crying about 'teh' rules. <BR> <BR>Again, pathetic. <BR> <BR>I have been a member of one forum for 6 years without a complaint. Maybe because you are not allowed there? <BR> <BR>This forum could be renamed "Bob_2's Goat Herder Conclusions".
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Bob said, respectfully: <BR> <BR><b><font color="ff0000"><font size="+2"><center>OK, Let's trash the Bible, now what. Where do you turn, Elaine, for your guide to eternal life. There isn't one. Unless you have one, I respectfully tell you to "shut up".</center></font></font></b> <BR> <BR>More respectfull to be called a "whited sepulchre", eh??
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Bob <BR> <BR>YCSMBHC. <BR> <BR>Later. <BR> <BR>Have fun playi... um, talking to yourself.
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Maybe Ryan can translate for us or Elaine.
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Elaine spoke of my brother Don. Truth be told, you should all visit what my brother has created at <BR> <BR><a href="http://www.covenantforum.com/cgi-bin/discus/discus.cgi" target=_top>http://www.covenantforum.com/cgi-bin/discus/discus .cgi</a> <BR> <BR>You have to have a username and password, but if you email Don he may give you access. He has really created a work of beauty hopefully to use in the Canadian Adventist school system. If you remember some of his historical threads here, he wishes, from what I can see, with my access, that he wishes his efforts to help build his "libary' at "Covenant" that he and Hubb co-moderate. <BR> <BR>Don and I get along, he is just trying to create a marketable masterpiece which he just might accomplish.
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Devon, thanks for the words, but sometimes one has to truly speak up and defend strongly the truth. <BR> <BR>Hope to see you strengthen in doing that. The words so far are a good start.
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