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john8verse32 · 02-28-09 11:52 pm

Paul Harvey.... now for the rest of the story. <a href="http://www.adherents.com/people/ph/Paul_Harvey.html" target=_top>http://www.adherents.com/people/ph/Paul_Harvey.htm l</a>

john8verse32 · 03-28-09 12:41 pm

three Adventist families are Montana plane crash victims. On way to ski trip, plane crashes in cemetery ..(a Catholic cemetary, no less!) 23 Mar 2009, Silver Spring, Maryland, United States ANN Staff While the Butte Coroner's office has not yet officially released the names of the victims, media reports and family members confirm Dr. Erin Jacobson, an ophthalmologist; his wife, Amy Feldkamp Jacobson, a dental hygienist; and children Ava, 3, and Taylor, 4, and Jude, 2, were among the victims. The Jacobson's resided in St. Helena, California. Also confirmed as victims were Loma Linda University alum Dr. Michael L. Pullen of Galt, California, who had a dental practice in Valley Springs, his wife Dr. Vanessa Feldkamp Pullen, a pediatrician and Amy's sister, and the Pullen's children Sydney and Christopher. The Pullens were said to be members of the Lodi-English Oaks Seventh-day Adventist Church in Lodi, California. Michael Pullen also held a degree in engineering, the Web site for his dental practice said. The third known set of victims are the family of Dr. Brent D. Ching, a dentist from Chico, California, his wife, Kristen, and their two children. Ching was a 1998 graduate of Loma Linda University's School of Dentistry, LLU officials confirmed. Church officials said the tragedy was a loss to the Adventist community. "Tragedies such as this remind us of the importance of our belief in the blessed hope," said Don C. Schneider, president of the church in North America. "It is at the second coming of Jesus Christ that events such as this will be eternally healed." At a March 23 press briefing, Montana Governor Brian Schweitzer told reporters, "I'm sure that this evening and tomorrow evening, moms and dads, families all over Montana will say an extra prayer for these children and these families." pics at: <a href="http://news.adventist.org/2009/03/in-us-three-adventis.html" target=_top>http://news.adventist.org/2009/03/in-us-three-adve ntis.html</a> much more: http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn&q=montana%20plane%20crash including this story: Montana Plane Crash Has Ties To California's Largest Abortion Chain By Mary B. Worthington, The Bulletin Thursday, March 26, 2009 On Sunday, a small plane owned by Irving “Bud” Feldkamp crashed into Holy Cross Catholic Cemetery in Butte, Mont. The cemetery is home to a “Memorial to the Unborn,” dedicated to unborn children destroyed through abortion. Though a dentist, Dr. Feldkamp owns Family Planning Associates, the largest private chain of abortion clinics in California, reports pro-life activist Gingi Edmonds. As a member of Survivors of the Abortion Holocaust, Ms. Edmonds protested weekly at Dr. Feldkamp’s home in Redlands, Calif. Dr. Feldkamp oversees 17 abortion facilities affiliated with Family Planning Associates. Members of Dr. Feldkamp’s family who died in the crash include two daughters, their husbands and five grandchildren. Authorities speculate that the plane’s cabin was overloaded. A representative from the Diocese of Helena said at this time they are unsure whether the pro-life memorial was impacted by the crash. (Message edited by john8verse32 on March 28, 2009)

john8verse32 · 03-28-09 12:47 pm

more : Butte, MT (LifeNews.com) -- The crash of a small airplane in Montana carrying a family from California after a ski trip has made the national news, but the mainstream media hasn't yet connected the dots. Were they to dig a little deeper, they would learn that the family killed in the crash has an infamous abortion connection. The crash involved two daughters of a prominent California abortion business owner, Irving "Bud" Feldkamp, and their families. Feldkamp owns the Family Planning Associates abortion business he purchased four years ago, but the mainstream media is only mentioning his ownership of a dental practice and that he is the CEO of Glen Helen Raceway Park in San Bernardino. That is despite the fact that his 17 FPA abortion centers do more abortions in the state of California than Planned Parenthood, the nation's largest abortion business. Their plane went down on Sunday killing daughters Vanessa and Amy, two of Feldkamp's sons-in-law, five grandchildren, the pilot and four family friends. For pro-life advocates who are familiar with Feldkamp's exploits as an abortion business owner, the crash is sad news but it carries a certain irony. The plane crashed into Catholic Holy Cross cemetery near the Butte airport and burst into flames. The site of the devastating impact and the deaths of the 14 passengers was near a memorial erected in the cemetery to honor unborn children who have died in abortions. The memorial, called the Tomb of the Unborn, was erected as a dedication to all babies who have died because of abortion. Gingi Edmonds, a young pro-life activist, noticed the connection and the irony associated with Feldkamp and the site of the plane crash. "Although Feldkamp is not an abortionist, he reaps profits of blood money from the tens of thousands of babies that are killed through abortions performed every year at the clinics he owns," she says. "His business in the abortion industry was what enabled him to afford the private plane that was carrying his family to their week-long vacation," Edmonds adds. Edmonds, who spent time with the pro-life group Survivors of the Abortion Holocaust, helped organize and conduct a weekly campaign where youth activists stood outside of Feldkamp's mini-mansion in Redlands holding fetal development signs and raising community awareness regarding Feldkamp's abortion business ownership. "Every Thursday afternoon we called upon Bud and his wife Pam to repent, seek God's blessing and separate themselves from the practice of child killing," she said. Edmonds isn't sure if the plane crash is God's way of warning Feldkamp that he needs to end his involvement in the abortion industry, but she can't help but recall the Feldkamps reactions to her signs showing developing unborn children. "Pam Feldkamp laughing at the fetal development signs, Bud Feldkamp trying not to make eye contact as he got into his car with a small child in tow" -- those are what she recalls. "I only hope and pray that in the face of this tragedy, Feldkamp recognizes his need for repentance and reformation," Edmonds says. "I pray that God will use this unfortunate catastrophe to soften the hearts of Bud and Pam and that they will draw close to the Lord and wash their hands of the blood of thousands of innocent children, each as precious and irreplaceable as their own," she concludes. as an aside...."The plane had left Oroville, Calif., on Saturday " didn't the Lord once kill a guy just for picking up sticks on the Sabbath? and these folks were flying on a plane bought and paid for with the killing of innocent kids? but that couldn't be a problem...the Lord himself is alleged to have killed innocent kids back in Egypt... so I think there are more natural problems...meaning I doubt the Lord struck down these people (as smirked at by the pro-life article above) I'm betting the plane was fine, but the pilot had a medical emergency...and nobody else could take over.... or the engine acted up, maybe threw a fan blade, and started vibrating, so the pilot diverted to the nearest airport, but the engine broke up on final approach, and the pilot tried to stretch his glide to the airport without power, and dropped below flying speed, and "stalled" and dived into the cemetary 500 feet short of the runway.... just a tragedy.... (Message edited by john8verse32 on March 28, 2009)

renie · 03-28-09 5:12 pm

Way to go, John. How quickly we blame God . We are brought up in the church to believe there is a dual meaning to everything. No wonder we run around guilt-ridden all the time. renie

bob_2 · 03-28-09 7:23 pm

Prop 8 wasn't the law of the land when Adventist were begging people to be against any Amendment to allow Gay Marriage. See video: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90ANZiOK0o0" target=_top>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90ANZiOK0o0</a> Notice the famous names. To suggest that the crash in an abortin related cemetery was as a result of these people's involvement in the industry, a law of the land, those who are part of the above video better watch out in the next few years for possible punishment. Just an observation, John, aren't you aviation oriented. What kind of plane and was it overloaded for a small plane as it sounds, with people and gear?? (Message edited by Bob_2 on March 28, 2009)

bob_2 · 03-28-09 11:09 pm

The above post should have read "any Amendment to prevent Gay Marriage..."

john8verse32 · 04-06-09 8:20 pm

gravity always wins. so that what goes up, eventually will come down. you can say your prayers, and pay your tithe, but if you overload the plane... and fly in bad weather.....run out of gas.... Seventh-day Adventists continue to search for a missing medical missionary plane, which disappeared Monday, February 16 in the jungles of La Gran Sabana, a vast southeastern region in Venezuela. <a href="http://news.adventist.org/2009/02/in-venezuela-adventi.html" target=_top>http://news.adventist.org/2009/02/in-venezuela-adv enti.html</a> The Cessna 182N plane piloted by Robert Norton, who volunteers for Adventist Medical Aviation (AMA) in Venezuela, is believed to have hit turbulent weather after taking off from the community of Carun en route to the community of Bethel. Also in the plane were six passengers: Neiba Norton, wife of the pilot; Gladis Zerpa, an Adventist teacher; a woman accompanying a 14-year-old and a woman traveling with her young son. a Cessna 182 N is a high wing, 4 seat plane with a 6 cyl 230 hp engine, capable of carrying just under 1000 lbs useful load.....after weighing the plane, its installed equipment, its paint and upholstery.... the photo of the pilot shows at least 200 lbs, his cute wife in the co-pilots seat would add another 120 lbs at least, in the rear seat a minimun 100 lb woman holding her 100lb 14 yr old on her lap, plus another teacher at estimate of 100 lbs, then sitting on the floor of the rear baggage compartment, another 100 lb woman and her kid, lets hope he was small and only 50 lbs... this uses up the plane's useful load of almost 800 lbs, and we havent accounted for any baggage, any emergency equipment, AND any gas or oil or bugspray... a 20 gal load would only keep the plane in the air for little more than an hr , and would add another 120+ lbs...after adding in crankcase oil,, charts, emergency equpiment, a bag of peanuts, the plane would top out well over weight... OVERLOADED and probably well beyond center of gravity limits (too much weight toward the rear of the plane can render the plane only marginally flyable at altitude) and in the hot, sticky air of the Ven. jungles, engine and wing performance would not have been optimal... then, influenced by a likely case of "get-home-itis", the pilot flys into one of God's thunderstorms which may have been hiding some tall rocks created more than 6000 yrs ago directly in his flightpath. Or he might have tried to go around, and the ear witness on the gound who hear the engine quit, might mean they ran out of gas in the air... and there are no filling stations up there. and there probably are 7 fewer SDA's in Venezuela yet to be found due to human error compounded by God's physical nature and the inexorable tug of gravity...tho His pschycological nature might have pained Him to see these sosuls lost, He apparently did not stop it from happening. The air service there should be flying the last type of Plane I owned...a 300 hp Piper Cherokee-6 ....with a useful load of 1,600 lbs...Plus more baggage space, and a stronger airframe. It would have taken all those people, given them all seats, and been able to take an extra hrs of gasoline (to fly around that storm), PLUS 3-400 lbs of baggage..... and been able to take off on a rougher, shorter runway .... of course, it takes an experienced, thinking pilot to safely fly any plane... JFK jr was flying a Cherokee 6 (newer and more $ than mine) until he lost control in the dark and fog of a Martha's Vineyard night flight and spiralled into eternity. the motto over the placard indicating the 1600 lbs useful load in my plane warned, half in jest: caution: load heavy objects forward, and insure doors closed before taking off. meaning, in jest, if you can close the doors, it probably will fly!!!.....which cannot be said of all planes. including the pictured, nicely painted, older 182.

cadge · 04-07-09 12:03 am

I frequented Sabbath school with Bob Norton and his mother when I attended the Bryant Al, Floral Crest, SDA church. He is a very kind, quiet, warm-hearted kind of person. I'll be happy to be reaquainted with him.

john8verse32 · 04-07-09 12:33 am

their web information and pics <a href="http://www.medicalaviation.org/venezuela/overview.htm" target=_top>http://www.medicalaviation.org/venezuela/overview. htm</a>

john8verse32 · 04-07-09 11:01 am

some vids of the difficult take-offs and landings <a href="http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=enorton25&search_type=&aq=f" target=_top>http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=enorto n25&search_type=&aq=f</a>

john8verse32 · 04-14-09 11:40 am

now 100% pure, not just 99.44% <img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/messages/87/976.jpg" alt="">

bob_2 · 04-14-09 11:51 am

Missed the point, John.

john8verse32 · 04-14-09 1:02 pm

they must not have had VCR's in Kanada back in your early daze to watch Marilyn sell Ivory (pure as) Snow or anything else.

bob_2 · 04-14-09 1:13 pm

I remember the ad, just can't read the signatures on the box, if that is the punch line. <img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/clipart/uhoh.gif" border=0>

john8verse32 · 04-14-09 2:15 pm

<a href="http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marilyn_Chambers" target="_blank">...Marilyn even ran for President!!!...</a> click thru the longlist of recent stars who have left, or are next to do so. <a href="http://http://www.popeater.com/movies/article/marilyn-chambers-dead/425616?icid=main|classic|dl2|link4|http://" target="_blank">...long list...</a> (Message edited by john8verse32 on April 14, 2009)

bob_2 · 04-14-09 5:21 pm

Both your links are meaningless as it relates to the Ivory soap picture. I know that you are trying to be clever but after the third or fourth time it looks desparate, rather than clever.

john8verse32 · 04-14-09 6:55 pm

try <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=marilyn+chambers&aq=f&oq=" target="_blank">...this...</a> since the links above seem to be too busy or inacurate

bob_2 · 04-14-09 10:41 pm

OK, a thread, entitled Rest in Peace, and you want me to believe that Marilyn Chambers was 100% pure, call me dense. Draw me a picture, state the punch line, I have no idea what you are trying for. <img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/clipart/uhoh.gif" border=0>

john8verse32 · 04-14-09 11:27 pm

NOW she's "pureLy" dead. she went from advertising a 99% pure product, to something presumed to be totally impure... and now possibly she will be 100% purified by the fires of God's judgement....

bob_2 · 04-15-09 12:02 am

Christ will be her judge not you or I.

bob_2 · 04-15-09 10:08 am

Now I get it!!! This article clears your thinking up. The only problem, at 56, did she die of something "unpure" or "pure"? <img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/clipart/uhoh.gif" border=0> <a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hJI4NHrHaZWhnrYV7lDqFvi8cwiAD97IKSHG0" target=_top>http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5 hJI4NHrHaZWhnrYV7lDqFvi8cwiAD97IKSHG0</a>

bob_2 · 04-15-09 3:51 pm

Natural causes, John, at 56 years of age??? Maybe. Likely??? Maybe she was just plain wore out from her life, eh????

john8verse32 · 05-07-09 11:38 pm

soon....... <img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/messages/87/1210.jpg" alt=""> too bad the study linked below was not available back in the 60-70's.....for Farrah, and her husbands Ryan and Lee.... <a href="http://www.popeater.com/television/article/farrah-fawcett-ryan-oneal/469402?" target=_top>http://www.popeater.com/television/article/farrah-fawcett-ryan-oneal/469402?</a> <a href="http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/337/19/1350" target=_top>http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/337/19/1350</a> the article STRONGLY suggests that young people from <a href="http://www.gotquestions.org/Sodom-and-Gomorrah.html" target="_blank">...Sodom, Gomorrah...,</a> or just Hollywood or even Peoria should get the HPV vaccine.....

john8verse32 · 06-04-09 2:30 pm

David Carridine, at the end of his rope in Bankok. no more Kwai Chang Caine, the Shaolin King Fu priest. most recently I thought he seemed happy doing the History Channel series on the US West.... but who ever knows?

john8verse32 · 06-25-09 7:14 pm

Farrah gone... never got to marry O'Neal... Ed McMahon gone..never brought me my clearing house check... Michael Jackson and never-never land = all gone. and that lady Dr who self examined her breast cancer years back and was airlifted out of Antarctica.....

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