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#1 04-26-09 9:56 am

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Quotes on TRUTH

&#34;Truth, when not sought after, rarely comes to light.&#34; <BR>-Holmes <BR> <BR>&#34;There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn&#39;t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.&#34; <BR>-Soren Kierkegaard <BR> <BR>&#34;He who would distinguish the true from the false must have an adequate idea of what is true and false.&#34; <BR>-Spinoza <BR> <BR>  <BR>&#34;The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie-deliberate, contrived, and dishonest-but the myth-persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.&#34; <BR>-John F. Kennedy <BR> <BR> :&#34;Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.&#34; <BR>-Albert Einstein <BR> <BR> &#34;The monster , fanaticism, still exists, and whoever seeks after truth will run the risk of being persecuted.&#34; <BR>-Voltaire <BR> <BR> &#34;Truth: that long, clean, clear, simple, undeniable, unchallengeable, straight, and shining line, on one side of which is black and on the other of which is white.&#34; <BR>-William Faulkner &#40;1897-1962&#41; <BR> <BR> &#34;Don&#39;t seek the truth. Just cease to cherish opinions.&#34; <BR>-Zen saying <BR> <BR> &#34;Truth above all, even when it upsets and overwhelms us.&#34; <BR>-Henri-Frederic Amiel <BR> <BR> &#34;Truth is so obscure in these times and falsehood so established, that unless we love the truth, we cannot know it.&#34; <BR>Blaine Pascal <BR> <BR>&#34;Not the truth in whose possession any man is, or thinks he is, but the honest efforts he has made to find out the truth, is what constitutes the worth of a man. For it is not through the possession but the inquiry after truth that his powers expand, and in this alone consists his ever-growing perfection.&#34; <BR>-Gotthold Lessin 1778 <BR> <BR> &#34;A thrill passes through all men at the reception of a new truth....&#34; <BR>Emerson <BR> <BR>&#34;The Truth which makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear.&#34; <BR>-Herbert Sebastian Agar <BR> <BR>&#34;All our progress is an unfolding, like the vegetable bud. You have first an instinct, then an opinion, then a knowledge, as the plant has root, bud, and fruit. Trust the instinct to the end, though you can render no reason. It is vain to hurry it. By trusting it to the end, it shall ripen into truth and you shall know why you believe.&#34; <BR>Emerson <BR> <BR>&#34;Weaklings are those who know the truth, but maintain it only as far as it is in their interest to do so, and apart from that forsake it.&#34; <BR>Blaine Pascal <BR> <BR>&#34;Never swallow anything whole. We live perforce by half-truths and get along fairly well as long as we do not mistake them for whole-truths, but when we do so mistake them, they raise the devil with us.&#34; <BR>Alfred North Whitehead <BR> <BR><a href="http://www.scholarisland.org/truth.htm" target=_top>http://www.scholarisland.org/truth.htm</a>

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#2 04-26-09 9:58 am

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&#34;It is not….that some people do not know what to do with Truth when it is offered them, but the tragic fate is to reach, after years of patient search, a condition of mind-blindness, in which the Truth is not recognized, though it stares you in the face.&#34; <BR>Sir William Osler <BR>Counsels and Ideals <BR> <BR>&#34;For the habitual truth-teller and truth-seeker, indeed, the world has very little liking. He is always unpopular, and no infrequently his unpopularity is so unpopular is so excessive that it endangers his life. Run your eye back over the list of martyrs, lay and clerical: nine-tenths of them, you will find, stood accused of nothing worse than honest efforts to find out and announce the truth. Even today, with the scientific passion become familiar in the world, the general view of such fellows is highly unfavorable. The typical scientist, the typical critic of institutions, the typical truth-seeker in every field is held under suspicion by the great majority of men, and variously beset by posses of relentless foes. if he tries to find out the truth about arteriosclerosis, or surgical shock, or cancer, he is denounced as a scoundrel by the Christian Scientists, the osteopaths and the anti-vivisectionists. If he tries to tell the truth about the government, its agents seek to silence and punish him. If he turns to fiction and endeavors to depict his fellow men accurately, he has the Comstocks on his hands. In no field can he count upon a friendly audience, and freedom from assault. Especially in the United States is his whole enterprise viewed with bilious eye. The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth. A Galileo could no more be elected President of the United States than he could be elected Pope of Rome. Both high posts are reserved for men favored by God with an extraordinary genius for swathing the bitter facts of life in bandages of soft illusion.&#34; <BR>H.L. Mencken <BR>&#40;from the New York Evening Mail, 1918&#41; <BR> <BR>&#34;We must clearly recognize that the way to truth and blessedness does not lie in creating anything that does not now exist, nor in acquiring anything that is not now at hand....we need only remove ignorance; insight into the truth then dawns.&#34; <BR>Edwin A. Burtt <BR>Man Seeks the Divine <BR> <BR>&#34;Not truth, but faith, is what keeps the world alive.&#34; <BR>-Edna St. Vincent Millay <BR> <BR>All religions have come into existence because people want something elaborate and attractive and puzzling. Each religion is complex, and each sect in each religion has its own adherents and antagonists. For example, an ordinary Christian will not be satisfied unless he is told that God is somewhere in the far-off heavens, not to be reached by us unaided. Christ alone knew Him and Christ alone can guide us. Worship Christ and be saved. If he is told the simple truth, that &#34;the kingdom of heaven is within you,&#34; he is not satisfied and will read complex and far-fetched meanings into such statements. <BR>Only mature minds can grasp the simple truth in all its nakedness.&#34; <BR>Ramana Maharshi <BR> <BR>&#34;There is nothing so powerful as truth-and often nothing so strange.&#34; <BR>-Daniel Webster <BR> <BR>&#34;The simple step of a courageous individual is not to take part in the lie. One word of Truth outweighs the world.&#34; <BR>-Alexander Solzhenitsyn <BR> <BR>&#34;And in the end, through the long ages of our quest for light, it will be found that truth is still mightier than the sword. For out of the welter of human carnage and human sorrow and human weal the indestructible thing that will always live is a sound idea.&#34; <BR>-Gen. Douglas MacArthur <BR> <BR><a href="http://www.scholarisland.org/truth.htm" target=_top>http://www.scholarisland.org/truth.htm</a>

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#3 04-26-09 10:03 am

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Re: Quotes on TRUTH

My personal fave from the list: <BR> <BR><blockquote>&#34;The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie-deliberate, contrived, and dishonest-but the myth-persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.&#34; <BR> <BR>-John F. Kennedy</blockquote> <BR> <BR>Or, &#34;The great enemy of the truth is... the myth- persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.&#34; <BR> <BR>AMON, and Goodbye.

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#4 04-26-09 10:22 am

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That last quote from a devout Catholic is real meaningful !!!!<img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/clipart/lol.gif" border=0> And the use of your signature quote in conjunction with JFK&#39;s quote shows you are just putting print on the page without much thought. <img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/clipart/blush.gif" border=0>

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#5 04-26-09 12:13 pm

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Bob...why do you always just dive right in.. giving no heed to anything but how big a splash you can make? <BR><img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/messages/13/1105.gif" alt="">


If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons?

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#6 04-26-09 4:35 pm

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Did you family take that picture of your pasttime or did you have a neighbor come over and watch with his video camera on?  <BR> <BR>Where in the Beatitudes does it refer to this kind of picture. Verse and chapter???

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#7 04-28-09 12:18 pm

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Passage from President Barack Obama&#39;s speech yesterday. <BR> <BR>Note Obama quoting JFK... It &#34;may be our salvation&#34;.  <BR> <BR><blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1><b>quote:</b></font><p><font size="+1">Remarks of President Barack Obama – As Prepared for Delivery <BR>National Academy of Sciences <BR>Washington, DC <BR>April 27, 2009</font> <BR> <BR>--snip-- <BR> <BR>At root, science forces us to reckon with the truth as best as we can ascertain it. Some truths fill us with awe. Others force us to question long held views. Science cannot answer every question; indeed, it seems at times the more we plumb the mysteries of the physical world, the more humble we must be. Science cannot supplant our ethics, our values, our principles, or our faith, but science can inform those things, and help put these values, these moral sentiments, that faith, to work – to feed a child, to heal the sick, to be good stewards of this earth. <BR> <BR>We are reminded that with each new discovery and the new power it brings, comes new responsibility; that the fragility and the sheer specialness of life requires us to move past our differences, to address our common problems, to endure and continue humanity&#39;s strivings for a better world. <BR> <BR>As President Kennedy said when he addressed the National Academy of Sciences more than 45 years ago: “The challenge, in short, may be our salvation.”<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> <BR><a href="http://thepage.time.com/obama-remarks-at-the-national-academy-of-sciences/" target=_top>http://thepage.time.com/obama-remarks-at-the-natio nal-academy-of-sciences/</a>

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#8 04-28-09 12:49 pm

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Amen, John, but I notice it is redacted as indicted by your --smip--. It was what he was trying to sell or put over on the taxpayer that I would be probing. BTW, where is the approval for drilling offshore that I thought he was for along with wind, sun and other alternate  sources. This guy, may make statements like this, read off a teleprompter, written by some speech writer,  but he may turn out to be the biggest political charlatan, and rhetorical speaker  EVER. With our TRILLIONS and TRILLIONS of tax dollars, eh???

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#9 04-28-09 1:30 pm

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As your idiot hero Cheney responded to a US Senator, IN THE SENATE CHAMBER: <BR> <BR>G. F. Y.

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#10 04-28-09 4:46 pm

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G.F.Y, stands for Good For You, right Neal and John, John notice the civility here with this post. Where are you, and Elaine, getting civility on the forum, or is it just selective activity, eh, John????? Oh, and by the way, ask Neal what STFU stands for, as if John and Elaine don&#39;t know. or Neal can tell us what words he has substituted into these two acronmyns to make them kosher or cleaned up, eh, John, where is the encouragement for Neal to read a self improvement book to be more civil, Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh. Where is J.R. when you need language and tone issues straightened out. I can hear him now, it&#39;s not about tone but what you are saying that matters, eh, John????

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#11 04-28-09 5:32 pm

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&#34;Our salvation&#34;, eternal life,  will never be in science and trillion dollar deficits. God is in control, and Obama is not, I repeat NOT, the new Messiah. He is located elsewhere.  <BR> <BR>Can science help with new discoveries yes, but to put off drilling for oil on a &#34;hunch&#34; or by &#34;chance&#34; we will find answers in a decade, when we could be producing new oil sources, is shortsighted. How many times did Obama say &#34;my administration&#34; in that speech. Is this personal glory he seeks or is he prepared to abandon politics, come to urban schools like those run by the state in St. Louis, and see the kenta cloth coloring exercises  and the teaching curriculuum that uses the African Village instead of the American Village and its needs.  <BR> <BR>Rhetoric which Obama is known for, and basing trillions of our tax dollars on speculation and chance without a Plan B, is dangerous and could make him a one term president.

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#12 04-28-09 8:48 pm

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Only we all know Cheney didn&#39;t say Good For You did he John and Elaine. I see not protest. Hmmmm. Must be selective castagation. Some people are known for that.

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#13 04-29-09 10:26 am

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<font color="0000ff">John, where is the encouragement for Neal to read a self improvement book to be more civil, Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh.</font> <BR> <BR>None of us have ever wished death on you like you did us. <BR> <BR>Big difference. <BR> <BR>Since I&#39;m away from home maybe I can get my daughter to find your famous post on atomorrow.com and email it to me. <BR> <BR>I immediately C&P&#39;ed your post and emailed to myself upon reading it.  I knew J.R. would delete it and I wanted to have proof with multiple time stamps &#40;from the post itself AND the email&#41;.  If I didn&#39;t have proof you would just lie and tell me to provide proof or shut up.  Well, I have the proof and will not shut up. <BR> <BR>Remember the one I&#39;m writing about?  Where you told us to &#34;suck rocks!!!!! eat [feces] and DIE&#34;? <BR> <BR>I&#39;m thinking about having a calligrapher do a nice piece of artwork for my wall titled &#34;Christian Frustrated:  Fantasizes That Burning at the Stake Still Legal&#34; with your post done up all nice and pretty in the center! <BR> <BR>When I have it done I will take a picture and post it for everybody&#39;s mutual enjoyment! <BR> <BR><img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/clipart/biggrin.gif" border=0>

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#14 04-29-09 10:40 am

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I could also send poster-sized copies to both of your church&#39;s preachers.  That way they could hang them in the foyer as an example of how Christ would NOT have behaved! <BR> <BR>If you would like me to, that is. <BR> <BR>Or NOT.

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#15 04-29-09 12:04 pm

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<blockquote>Thinking men can not be ruled. <BR><i><b>Ayn Rand</b></i></blockquote>

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#16 04-29-09 12:08 pm

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<blockquote>Reason is not automatic. Those who deny it cannot be conquered by it. Do not count on them. Leave them alone. <BR> <BR><b><i>Ayn Rand</i></b></blockquote>

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#17 04-30-09 6:27 am

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<blockquote>&#34;A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.&#34; <BR> <BR>&#34;Truth never triumphs -- its opponents just die out.&#34; <BR> <BR>&#34;Science advances one funeral at a time.&#34; <BR> <BR><b><i>Max Planck</i></b></blockquote>

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#18 04-30-09 5:15 pm

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I liked this one from Churchill: <BR> <BR><blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1><b>quote:</b></font><p><b><font color="0000ff"><font size="+2"><center>&#34;The truth is incontrovertible, <BR>malice may attack it,  <BR>ignorance may deride it,  <BR>but in the end; there it is.”</center></font></font></b> <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> <BR>- Winston Churchill quotes &#40;British Orator, Author and Prime Minister

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#19 05-27-09 11:59 am

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An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it. Truth stands, even if there be no public support. It is self sustained. <BR> <BR><i>Mahatma Gandhi</i>, in <b>Young India 1924-1926</b> &#40;1927&#41;, p. 1285

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#20 05-27-09 12:02 pm

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All great truths begin as blasphemies. <BR> <BR><i>George Bernard Shaw</i>, <b>Annajanska</b>

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#21 06-29-09 5:08 am

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<blockquote>A fact never went into partnership with a miracle. Truth scorns the assistance of wonders. A fact will fit every other fact in the universe, and that is how you can tell whether it is or is not a fact. A lie will not fit anything except another lie. <BR> <BR><b><i>Robert Ingersoll</i></b></blockquote>

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#22 07-09-09 11:18 am

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<blockquote>&#34;I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept the simplest and most obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabrics of their life.&#34; <BR> <BR><b><i>Leo Tolstoy</i></b></blockquote>

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#23 07-09-09 5:12 pm

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By what criteria can we measure the Bible when compared with very similar stories in contemporary culture? Such as: <BR> <BR>When Osiris is said to bring his believers eternal life in Egyptian Heaven, we understand that it is a myth; <BR> <BR>When the sacrfed rites of Demeter at Eleusis are described as brnging believers happiness in their eternal life, we understand that a a myth; <BR> <BR>When ancient writer tell us that in general ancient people believed in eternal life, with the good going to the Elysian Fields and the not so good going to Hades, we understand that as a myth. <BR> <BR>When Vespatian&#39;s spittle healed a blind man, we understand that as a myth; <BR> <BR>When Appolonius of Tyana raised a girl from the death, we understand that as a myth; <BR> <BR>When the Pythia, the priestess at the Oracle at Delphi prophesied, and over and over again for a thousand years, the prophecies came true, we understand that as a myth. <BR> <BR>When Dionysius turned water into wine, we understand that as a myth; <BR> <BR>When Romulus is described as the Son of God, born of a virgin, we understand that as myhth. <BR> <BR>When Alexander the Great is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we understand that as a myth; <BR> <BR>When Augustus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal, we understand that as a myth; <BR> <BR>When Scipio Africanus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal womn, we understand that as a myth. <BR> <BR>So how come when Jesus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, according to prophecy, turning water into wine, healing blind men with his spittle, and setting it up so His believers got eternal life in Heaven and off to Hades for the bad folks, how come that&#39;s not a myth? <BR> <BR>And how is it explained that the church father, Origen, refers to Osiris as a young god, who was restored to life, and then arose from the dead on the third day? <BR> <BR>And how come, in a culture with all those Sons of God, where miracles were science, where Heaven and Hell and and God and eternal life and salvation were in the temples, in <BR>the philosophies, in the books, how come we imagine Jesus and the stories about him developed all on their own, all by themselves, without picking up any of their stuff from the culture they sprang from, the culture full of the same sort of stuff?

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#24 07-09-09 9:15 pm

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You&#39;re welcome to believe in: <BR> <BR><b><font color="0000ff">a deity who lived there and protected the navel of the Earth.</font></b> <BR> <BR><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delphi" target=_top>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delphi</a> <BR> <BR>The issue as I said before is discernment.

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#25 07-09-09 10:16 pm

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There are men that don&#39;t fall in love with there own ideas, just because they thought them up. Some truly are seeking truth, which may mean admitting they erred in their thinking. Seems to me even W did some of that. Some are waiting for Obama.

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