Just Friendly Banter

bob_2 · 04-30-09 5:17 pm

John, you like to get away from your childishness you produce here???? That is sad!!!<img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/clipart/uhoh.gif" border=0>

renie · 04-30-09 11:34 pm

We are just now getting dumped on with a bunch of snow. Had 14 inches last Wednesday and tonite it's really coming down. Fortunately, it melts off fast, but I'm tired of it. So much for global warming. <img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/clipart/proud.gif" border=0> renie

bob_2 · 05-05-09 12:50 am

How anti-Obama of you!!!!<img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/clipart/wink.gif" border=0>

renie · 05-05-09 9:10 pm

WHAT.........ANTI-OBAMA? I really slipped up there, didn't I ? renie

john8verse32 · 05-06-09 4:40 pm

should we bet you actually voted for the guy and what he stands for? <img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/messages/22/1200.jpg" alt="">

cadge · 06-09-09 8:54 pm

What do you make of this one John? <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D37Ku5X-vw&feature=PlayList&p=2181F162DD1EBEDB&index=0" target=_top>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D37Ku5X-vw&feature =PlayList&p=2181F162DD1EBEDB&index=0</a>

john8verse32 · 06-10-09 1:05 pm

too much wild speculation for me to sit thru the whole thing....but it appears they want to blame the RCC? and claim that 13,000 yrs ago civilization was more advanced than we are today?

cadge · 09-27-09 8:35 am

I came across this Bible research site when I googled "cloud of witnesses" this morning and was impressed by the layout and immense offering of resource material. I thought a few of you might be interested: <a href="http://biblos.com/" target=_top>http://biblos.com/</a> Cadge

don · 09-27-09 12:10 pm

Thanks Cadge. A comprehensive site.

john8verse32 · 09-29-09 9:39 pm

now that the towelheads have perfected the butt bomb.... <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/28/eveningnews/main5347847.shtml" target=_top>http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/28/eveningn ews/main5347847.shtml</a> the only way to keep flying safe is to require everybody to be butt nekkid, and to submit to a laxative the night before...or have that cavity searched too!!! I can't wait for all the Af-gun people to start flying while carrying bombs inside their wooden legs we replaced after we blew their real ones off.

maggie · 10-17-09 8:25 pm

Hi, Renie - thanks for the welcome. <IMG SRC="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":-)" BORDER=0> I've been over at Spectrum for awhile - just thought I'd drop in here a minute because of JR. So sad. I may say hi from time to time. Love ya

renie · 10-17-09 9:56 pm

PROMISE?????? Sure do miss you.

don · 10-17-09 11:03 pm

Hi Maggie, Good to see your posts again. Don

maggie · 10-19-09 1:43 am

Hi, Don! Okay, Renie, I promise, you ol' sweetie, you. <IMG SRC="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":-)" BORDER=0>

bob_2 · 12-02-09 10:22 pm

Conversation brought over from Science section: One last thing, Elaine, it wasn't long ago you were complaining about my posting numbers, yet that is the only way to keep the border more visible, other wise the board if active would clog up if everything was left up. Ryan's new format will keep something interesting up all the time as I understand it. Ryan jump in anytime.

cadge · 12-03-09 1:28 am

"...had a heart cath, and quadruple bypass heart surgery. "I am determined to break the diabetes cycle I inherited and with my chest cracked open, it gives one some motivation to keep the rest of my blood vessels clear" Good for you Bob! Welcome back, and I'm glad to see that you made it through okay.<img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/clipart/happy.gif" border=0> God bless ya Bob, Cadge

cadge · 11-25-10 4:27 pm

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone.

David was a man after God's own heart:

1 Samuel 13:14 The Bible says after Saul’s failure, God had "sought Him a man after His own heart."

Acts 13:22 God said, "I have found David … a man after My own heart."

Paul said "Let this mind be in you that was in Christ Jesus".

Where sin abounds, grace much more abounds. Rom 5:20

I'm thankful for the sacrifice and the mercy of God that made it all possible.

When I look at the cross I see the severity and the goodness of God all at once. Praise to Him from whom all blessings flow.

Bill Sorensen · 12-01-10 4:36 pm

Because David was always repentant.

Bill

hfsturges · 12-02-10 12:00 am

Cadge,

When I look at the cross I see the severity and the goodness of God all at once. Praise to Him from whom all blessings flow.

Amen! A beautiful statement.

Why was David a "man after God's own heart?" I believe it was because David was so quick to praise and glorify God. David sinned terribly but his repentance was deep. And he maintained his faith and his love for God.

cadge · 12-02-10 10:41 am

Why was David "a man after God's own heart"?

Bill: "Because David was always repentant."

Doc Sturges: "David was so quick to praise and glorify God. And--- maintained his faith and love for God".

The reason that I mentioned both the statements of David being "a man after God's own heart" along with the verse of "let this mind be in you which was in Christ Jesus" is because David became a man that saw that he was to seek to understand as best as he could to incorporate the ways that our heavenly Father intended him to live in relation to Him and our fellow man into his life.
By the same reasoning, we are to let "the way, truth and the life" as demonstrated by Jesus and given to us by the Holy Spirit through the Word of God become the directives of our minds and life force. We have to "let" it because the natural heart of man is not of this "way". Hence, the daily battle to keep the flesh, impulses, urges and habits of the natural heart, under subjection, by the will, accompanied by the grace of God through the power of the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:13 "If you through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live".

In order to have our Father's heart, we have to think our Father's thoughts. The Holy Spirit brings us to deeper understanding as we "abide with Him and in His word". As we allow "the Sword of the Spirit, His word, cut us "to the bone and marrow", showing us our sins that need to be overcome, we begin the process of sanctification. If we are not having this experience, then we do not understand the meaning of salvation.
The result of the experience is a greater understanding of the ugliness of sin, and the beauty of His way, truth and life. We decide not to engage in any willful sin, in any capacity, lest we give support to the king and kingdom of darkness and all the evils that befall men.

We glorify God when we choose to totally trust His direction and correction after we come to the realization that there can only be one authority and one system that gives life. The view from heaven that sees the evidence of more than one system of authority testifies to the fact that anything more than one "way" will always result in war, death and destruction.

We glorify God when we come to understand our need to submit to His authority and system of life in appreciation of His devising of saving us from the blinding power of sin and opening up our hearts to the reality of the situation between Heaven and Earth.

We glorify God when we trust His 'way" in desire to live it when we realize that the life and spirit we are born under and personalities we have inherited and developed by the influences of the world are a phony existence and not what we were originally created to be like.

God created us in His Spirit of giving, that we would be vessels for His Spirit; two becoming one to multiply and inhabit the vast stretches of the universe. This was the original plan, and it is what is meant by the phrase,"the restoration of all things". This is His Kingdom. God did not create us so we could fall into sin and be delivered, but so that we would fill the universe with inhabitants of His heart; a people that lay down their lives for each other in total trust that their appointed functions give life to each other which continues the same Spirit of giving that emanates from our Father. As it flows from Him, it returns from His subjects and back out again in a continuous cycle. You could liken it to the circulatory system of the body, but instead of blood, it's His Spirit flowing through His Body of Holy beings."So shall my word be that floweth forth out of my mouth; it shall not return unto me void" Isaiah 55:11. This is what gives life. This is Love; our Father's Heart. All made possible to us through the goodness and severity of God on the cross. Our God truly is an awesome God!

hfsturges · 12-02-10 1:07 pm

Cadge,
You obviously have a PhD in religion. How about translating what you said into English?

Bill Sorensen · 12-02-10 6:52 pm

Cadge said......

"We glorify God when we come to understand our need to submit to His authority and system of life in appreciation of His devising of saving us from the blinding power of sin and opening up our hearts to the reality of the situation between Heaven and Earth."

A good comment, Cadge. People want no authority telling them what to do or what is right or wrong. This is the foundation of the "original sin" in heaven.

God offers us "responsible freedom". Sinners want an "irresponsible freedom".

And much of the "gospel" presented today, even in Adventism, embraces this irresponsible freedom scenario.

For some, the attempt is rather subtle. For me, and some others, it is so obvious we could wonder how people are so easily deceived and deluded.

Any claim that we don't have to obey the law to be saved is obviously a part of this irresponsible freedom so many seek. While it is true that we don't have to obey the law before coming to Jesus, and we could add, no one can obey the law to merit heaven either before or after coming to Jesus, it is blatantly false to claim a believer need not obey the law to be saved.

Any careful consideration of the first commandment should be very plain to expose this false idea.

"Thou shalt have no other gods before me."

Can a person be "saved" while worshiping false gods? Of course not. And it is equally true of every other commandment of God.

When we understand that "faith" is simply a part of the law, and that we are commanded to "believe", as a moral imperative, we will cease to seperate faith from obedience in the non-biblical way it is done today.

It is correct to distinguish the difference between how "faith" functions and "obedience" functions, it is not correct to divorce the two aspects of the law as though one is a part of it, and the other is not.

A mature believer can see how the whole bible can easily be called "the law" and likewise, the whole bible can be called "the gospel". That is because "the law" in its comprehensive meaning includes the gospel, and visa-versa.

We distinguish them for purposes of explaining how each aspect functions in parallel and contrast. To go beyond this purpose can only lead to a corruption of each. If the law is diminished and/or eliminated, so is the gospel of grace. What need is there for the gospel, if there is no law? And if the gospel sets aside the law, it also negates itself so that it has no function or purpose.

So, as Cadge has indicated about the justice and mercy of God, each remains in full force all the time so that the law is in full force 100% of the time, and thus, so is the gospel.

This enigma creates tension in the Christian experience. And this is just how the bible would have it. We are momentarily condemned, and by faith, we are momentarily forgiven. If a person rejects this arrangement, they reject bible Christanity.

The fear of presumption is always present because we can presume false ideas about the law, and equally, presume false ideas about the gospel. Especially as we apply them day by day in our experience with Christ.

Don't try to resolve this paradox. Simply accept it for it is the eternal principle of God's kingdom for all His created moral beings.

Bill Sorensen

cadge · 12-26-11 12:35 am

Merry Christmas and to all a good night.

Ryan · 12-26-11 10:00 pm

Thanks, cadge. I hope you had a merry Christmas and have a happy new year! Got any resolutions lined up for the new year?

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