The Joyful Expressions In Dance

cadge · 01-29-09 9:44 am

Having visited a messianic community I was impressed by their making their Sabbath a joyous occasion and their expression of it in dance and joyful communion with each other. They looked forward to their Sabbath and it was quite evident to me that they didn't want it to end as they continued playing their instruments even after the Sabbath hours ended. I wondered why it was lost and also thought of the wonderful atmosphere and influence it would present to our children and to visitors as it related to our connection to heaven. I went googling and found this: "To worship God in dance is biblical. The Bible commends it (Psalm 149:3; 150:4). Scripture gives many references to the use of dance as a form of joyous celebration and of reverent worship. In the Hebrew tradition, dance functioned as a medium of prayer and praise, as an expression of joy and reverence, and as a mediator between God and humanity (Taylor 1976:81). This understanding of dance permeated the faith of the early Christian church. During the Middle Ages despite increasing proscriptions against the use of dance, it continued to be utilised as a medium of prayer and praise. However, by the time of the Reformation the church, both Catholic and Protestant, had eliminated dance from worship". <a href="http://www.davidicdance.com/dance_in_the_church.htm" target=_top>http://www.davidicdance.com/dance_in_the_church.ht m</a> And more on the Biblical relevance and Hebrew meanings, here: <a href="http://www.davidicdance.com/dance_from_the_scriptures.htm" target=_top>http://www.davidicdance.com/dance_from_the_scriptu res.htm</a> DANCE from the SCRIPTURES "In the Hebrew Scriptures a number of words are translated into edancef. In Ecclesiastes 3:4 it states: ea time to mourn and a time to dancef. The word raw-kadŒ (7540) means to leap or skip about. The word kaw-rarŒ (3769), which literally means whirling, was used to describe King Davidfs dance as the Ark was being brought to Jerusalem". II Samuel 6:14 Cadge

maggie · 01-30-09 1:05 am

Christians need to get out an dance more. SDAs probably are going to look more like dancing boards than even these people: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtVlpKnf0ls" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtVlpKnf0ls</a> Reminds me of the James Joyce line, "Mr. Duffy lived a short distance from his body...." Hey, I look like a culturally deprived dancing board too. <IMG SRC="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":-)" BORDER=0>

maggie · 01-30-09 1:09 am

Gotta start somewhere....

maggie · 01-30-09 1:21 am

How can you worship God freely and joyfully with a stiff and rigid body that can't express exultation? Beats me....

cadge · 01-30-09 2:48 am

"SDAs probably are going to look more like dancing boards than even these people:" "Dancing Boards", bwaaah Ha Ha!!! You make tears come from my eyes----Stop It!! Hey, ya know, I wasn't too thorough on my dancing expose there was I maggs, being that I didn't include a video. Thanks for picking up my slack. I remember a nun I had in primary grades saying during art class one day, "use your imaginations" on a project she gave us, and I got scared because I didn't think I had one.<img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/clipart/happy.gif" border=0> Cadge

maggie · 01-30-09 9:38 am

...I got scared because I didn't think I had one. If you'd been in SDA school you'd be afraid 'cause the devil was prob'ly in charge of your imagination. Secret vice and all.... Seriously, most Christians dance like they've been hunched over computers and books all their lives, and the missionary position is probably a challenge for them.

john8verse32 · 01-30-09 1:41 pm

remember the story of poor Uzzah, killed by God for helping steady the ark over a rough spot in the cartpath? take your pick which story to believe: 2 Samuel 6:6 And when they came to Nachon's threshingfloor, Uzzah put forth his hand to the ark of God, and took hold of it; for the oxen shook it. And the anger of the Lord was kindled against Uzzah, and God smote him. or maybe this is the story to believe: 1 Chronicles 13:9 And when they came unto the threshingfloor of Childon, Uzza put forth his hand to hold the ark, for the oxen stumbled. And the anger of the Lord was kindled against Uzza, and He smote him. well, afterward, King David, to celebrate the return of the ark, gets down and dances... apparently nekkid!!! in front of some impressionable women... Sauls daughter is one of them, and she tries to copy the king...and is punished by God who makes her barren... having no kids... for dancing, and "uncovering" herself ... unless you believe another text which says she does have kids. <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/2sam/6.html#6" target=_top>http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/2sam/6.html#6</a> anyway, dancing is a suggestive vertical expression of a sinful, horizontal, bad idea... and when you "get down", you go down.... <img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/messages/22/323.jpg" alt=""> it says so in these texts: <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/interp/dancing.html" target=_top>http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/interp/dancing.html</a> and God or somebody or something appears to be punishing Patrick for all that dirty dancing <img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/messages/22/324.jpg" alt=""> whoops....wait a minute.... these other texts say dancing is OK.... <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/interp/dancing.html" target=_top>http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/interp/dancing.html</a> alright, nevermind carry on <img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/messages/22/325.jpg" alt="">

renie · 01-30-09 1:56 pm

I'm with good OLD Maxine. She said, "the first mistake my doctor made was to ask me to take my clothes off." I used to love to dance though when I was MUCH younger. renie

maggie · 01-30-09 3:45 pm

anyway, dancing is a suggestive vertical expression of a sinful, horizontal, bad idea... and when you "get down", you go down.... Hence Christians dancing like they're strapped to boards, I guess.... Sinful bad idea? But...but..."Be fruitful and multiply!" For pity's sake, Renie, why don't you dance any more? Aren't you happy now? Hey, Bob Shields, have you heard of Davidic Worship? Are you ready to dance? <a href="http://www.brideofchrist.com/details/1604/davidic.worship/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.brideofchrist.com/details/1604/davidic. worship/index.html</a>

maggie · 01-30-09 3:51 pm

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maggie · 01-30-09 4:38 pm

<hr width=75% size=2> <center>Come to Jesus Weak and wounded sinner Lost and left to die O, raise your head, for love is passing by Come to Jesus Come to Jesus Come to Jesus and live! Now your burden's lifted And carried far away And precious blood has washed away the stain, so Sing to Jesus Sing to Jesus Sing to Jesus and live! And like a newborn baby Don't be afraid to crawl And remember when you walk Sometimes we fall...so Fall on Jesus Fall on Jesus Fall on Jesus and live! Sometimes the way is lonely And steep and filled with pain So if your sky is dark and pours the rain, then Cry to Jesus Cry to Jesus Cry to Jesus and live! O, and when the love spills over And music fills the night And when you can't contain your joy inside, then Dance for Jesus Dance for Jesus Dance for Jesus and live! And with your final heartbeat Kiss the world goodbye Then go in peace, and laugh on Glory's side, and Fly to Jesus Fly to Jesus Fly to Jesus and live!</center> <hr width=75% size=2> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW5S8Xm-GkA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW5S8Xm-GkA</a> (Message edited by maggie on January 30, 2009)

elaine · 01-30-09 6:11 pm

Conservative Adventism has emerged again, even more forcefully. Check out the latest Review online for Angel Rodriquez' views on jewely and eating out on the Sabbath. Good way to reduce the SDA membership quickly--make being happy a sin and we're all guilty!

cadge · 01-30-09 6:14 pm

"remember the story of poor Uzzah, killed by God for helping steady the ark over a rough spot in the cartpath"? "And when they came unto the threshingfloor of Childon, Uzza put forth his hand to hold the ark, for the oxen stumbled. And the anger of the Lord was kindled against Uzza, and He smote him". He wasn't supposed to touch the Holy box. It was only to be touched by certain people and only through the rings by staves on the sides. It was about obediance. No antinomianism back then allowed either. David danced naked before the ark, even while wearing only the upper garment, but he didn't touch the Ark. God made an example of Uzzah. It's about obediance. Who knows if he will not be amongst the saved? It may have caused the first death, but not the second for him. Anyhow, don't worry about the imperfect "campfire stories". They were told by imperfect men that undoubtedly were exagerated or morphed into grander exposes than from their original interprations. The Holy Spirit will still bring you the Gospel message through it all. So, calm down and enjoy the music and dance. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub4cueDMPPs&NR=1" target=_top>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub4cueDMPPs&NR=1</a> BTW John, I really appreciate the teachings you have shared on the old earth. You've made me a believer. But I think you're pretty brave to do a five atmosphre splash aftr only a shallow water checkout dive experience. Glad nothing went wrong. Must be that your capable of gasping the science and cautions of it all with good clarity on short notice. Cadge

elaine · 01-30-09 6:18 pm

Here's the links to Angel Rodriquez' comments on jewelry and proper Sabbath observance. <a href="http://www.adventistreview.org/2000-1551/story5.html" target=_top>http://www.adventistreview.org/2000-1551/story5.ht ml</a> <a href="http://www.adventistreview.org/2001-1502/story3.html" target=_top>http://www.adventistreview.org/2001-1502/story3.ht ml</a>

renie · 01-30-09 9:14 pm

If there ever was a piece of non-functional jewelry it is a man's necktie. It serves no purpose except as decoration and can cost quite a lot. And most men don't even like wearing one. But it is never mentioned because it's a man's jewelry, not a woman's. renie

elaine · 01-31-09 12:14 am

Yes, Renie. Most neckties are far more expensive than the cheap costume jewelry most of us wear--like a scarf as a color to tie our outfits together. How dare men tell women how to dress!! Worse yet, too many women listen and obey.

john8verse32 · 01-31-09 2:52 pm

whoever invented the neck tie should be hung by one..if he hasn't already been choked to death. <img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/messages/22/344.jpg" alt=""> this is one of the few things I agree with Obama about. everything else? no smoking no millions for Acorn <img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/messages/22/345.jpg" alt=""> no "tax refunds" for illegal aliens even if they don't pay taxes or have a SS number George is rolling over in his grave <img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/messages/22/346.jpg" alt="">

maggie · 02-02-09 10:22 pm

Renie, I know, I know, we're old and all, but really, old or not, try not to dance to Eva Cassidy's rendition of How Can I Keep From Singing? Betcha can't do it. Betcha just get happy and dance. <IMG SRC="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":-)" BORDER=0> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_odw0OeU21w&feature=PlayList&p=3E022B04AE52C911&index=32&playnext=3&playnext_from=PL" target="_blank">How Can I Keep From Singing?</a> <hr width=75% size=2> <center>My life goes on in endless song above earth's lamentations, I hear the real, though far-off hymn that hails a new creation. Through all the tumult and the strife I hear it's music ringing, It sounds an echo in my soul. How can I keep from singing? While though the tempest loudly roars, I hear the truth, it liveth. And though the darkness 'round me close, songs in the night it giveth. No storm can shake my inmost calm, while to that rock I'm clinging. Since love is lord of heaven and earth how can I keep from singing? When tyrants tremble sick with fear and hear their death knell ringing, when friends rejoice both far and near how can I keep from singing? No storm can shake my inmost calm, while to that rock I'm clinging. Since love is lord of heaven and earth how can I keep from singing? My life goes on in endless song above earth's lamentations, I hear the real, though far-off hymn How can I keep from singing? How can I keep from singing?</center> <hr width=75% size=2>

john8verse32 · 02-03-09 10:27 pm

just get happy and dance <img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/messages/22/402.gif" alt="">

maggie · 02-03-09 10:49 pm

Dance with the dolly with the hole in her stockin'...dance by the light of the moon: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgTbRAPazAc" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgTbRAPazAc</a>

maggie · 02-03-09 11:06 pm

Various versions: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2JZ7wCJo0A&feature=related" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2JZ7wCJo0A&feature =related</a><blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!>quote:An American folk song from the 1800s morphed into a doowop song. "Buffalo Gals" originated in 1844, with the title "Lubly Fan (Buffalo Gals, Won't You Come Out Tonight)". In 1944 it became a top 10 pop hit as "Dance With a Dolly (With a Hole In Her Stocking)", a title that has endured. In 1960 The Olympics, of Western Movies fame, recorded a version as Dance By the Light Of the Moon. It was not a hit, but maybe it should have been. The original Buffalo Gals has endured as well, with Bruce Springsteen doing a rock version.<blockquote>1) Buffalo Gals by Arlo Guthrie, son of folk singer Woodie Guthrie. 2) Dance With a Dolly by Damita Jo. An exciting R&B version from the early 60s. 3) Teenage Dolly by Dale Hawkins of Suzie Q fame. Something different - not the same song but a rockabilly variation on the theme. It's all about a girl with a hole in her stocking, you know. 4) Dance By the Light Of the Moon by The Olympics.</blockquote><!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

maggie · 02-03-09 11:12 pm

Nobody's lookin'...dare ya not ta dance...betcha can't not dance.... <img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/clipart/smile.gif" border=0>

john8verse32 · 02-04-09 12:37 am

isn't that the best way to dance? when nobody's lookin?

maggie · 02-04-09 12:55 am

Well, I like to spare people the spectacle whenever I can...but man, I gotta dance! Dance Like Nobody's Lookin' <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky4XLiyhSQQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky4XLiyhSQQ</a>

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