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Drinking two cups of strong coffee a day may ward off Alzheimjer's--and even help restore the memories of people with the disease. <BR> <BR>In a study of mice genetically engineered to develop the degenerative brain disorder, researchers from the Florida Alzheimer's Disease Research Center and two universities found that a daily dose of caffeine produced a 50 percent reduction of the abnormal protein that proliferates in Alzheimer's and destroys brain cells, causing dementia. <BR> <BR>Mice protected by caffeine performed twice as well on memory tests as the mice not dosed with the drug, The protective effect was provided by the equivalent of 500 milligrams of caffeine a day--the amount in two cups of strong coffee (like that served in specialty coffee shops), 14 <BR>cups of tea, or 20 cola drinks. <BR> <BR>"Caffeine could be a viable treatment for established Alzheimer's disease, not simply a protective strategy," researcher Dr. Gary Arendash tells the London <i>Daily Telegraph. </i> "It easily enters the brain, and it appears to directly affect the disease process."
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<b><font color="ff0000">Caffeine affects the brain.</font></b> <BR> <BR><a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1356551" target="_blank">Caffeine and the central nervous system: mechanisms of action, biochemical, metabolic and psychostimulant effects.</a><blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1><b>quote:</b></font><p>Caffeine is the most widely consumed central-nervous-system stimulant. Three main mechanisms of action of caffeine on the central nervous system have been described. Mobilization of intracellular calcium and inhibition of specific phosphodiesterases only occur at high non-physiological concentrations of caffeine. The only likely mechanism of action of the methylxanthine is the antagonism at the level of adenosine receptors. Caffeine increases energy metabolism throughout the brain but decreases at the same time cerebral blood flow, inducing a relative brain hypoperfusion. Caffeine activates noradrenaline neurons and seems to affect the local release of dopamine. Many of the alerting effects of caffeine may be related to the action of the methylxanthine on serotonin neurons. The methylxanthine induces dose-response increases in locomotor activity in animals. Its psychostimulant action on man is, however, often subtle and not very easy to detect. The effects of caffeine on learning, memory, performance and coordination are rather related to the methylxanthine action on arousal, vigilance and fatigue. Caffeine exerts obvious effects on anxiety and sleep which vary according to individual sensitivity to the methylxanthine. However, children in general do not appear more sensitive to methylxanthine effects than adults. The central nervous system does not seem to develop a great tolerance to the effects of caffeine although dependence and withdrawal symptoms are reported.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> <BR> <BR><a href="http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/298/4/181" target="_blank">Effects of caffeine on plasma renin activity, catecholamines and blood pressure</a><blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1><b>quote:</b></font><p>Using a double-blind, randomized, cross-over protocol, we studied the effect of a single dose of oral caffeine on plasma renin activity, catecholamines and cardiovascular control in nine healthy, young, non-coffee drinkers maintained in sodium balance throughout the study period. Caffeine (250 mg) or placebo was administered in a methylxanthine-free beverage to overnight-fasted supine subjects who had had no coffee, tea or cola in the previous three weeks. Caffeine increased plasma renin activity by 57 per cent, plasma norepinephrine by 75 per cent and plasma epinephrine by 207 per cent. Urinary normetanephrine and metanephrine were increased 52 per cent and 100 per cent respectively. Mean blood pressure rose 14/10 mm Hg one hour after caffeine ingestion. There was a slight fall and then a rise in heart rate. Plasma caffeine levels were usually maximal one hour after ingestion but there was considerable individual variation. A 20 per cent increase in respiratory rate correlated well with plasma caffeine levels. Under the conditions of study caffeine was a potent stimulator of plasma renin activity and adrenomedullary secretion. Whether habitual ingestion has similar effects remains to be determined.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> <BR> <BR><a href="http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/283/20/2674" target="_blank">Association of Coffee and Caffeine Intake With the Risk of Parkinson Disease</a><blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1><b>quote:</b></font><p>Conclusions: Our findings indicate that higher coffee and caffeine intake is associated with a significantly lower incidence of PD (Parkinson's Disease). This effect appears to be independent of smoking. The data suggest that the mechanism is related to caffeine intake and not to other nutrients contained in coffee. <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> <BR> <BR><a href="http://md1.csa.com/partners/viewrecord.php?requester=gs&collection=ENV&recid=3790154" target="_blank">Pharmacological rationale for the clinical use of caffeine</a> <blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1><b>quote:</b></font><p>Caffeine is widely consumed in beverages to obtain mild CNS stimulant effects. Long term use produces tolerance to some of the pharmacological effects. Withdrawal of caffeine, even from moderate intake levels, can produce symptoms such as headache, fatigue and anxiety. Caffeine is used therapeutically in combination with ergotamine for migraine headaches and in combination with nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs in analgesic formulations. Caffeine alone is used as a somnolytic, to treat various headache conditions, respiratory depression in neonates, postprandial hypotension and obesity, and to enhance seizure duration in electroconvulsive therapy. In some headache and in pain paradigms, caffeine may produce direct adjuvant analgesic properties, while in other headache conditions (perioperative, postdural puncture) caffeine may be effective by alleviating a manifestation of caffeine withdrawal. Other uses, such as to promote wakefulness, for respiratory stimulation and seizure prolongation, rely on central stimulant properties of caffeine. Effects of caffeine on the vasculature may contribute to the relief of some headaches and in postprandial hypotension. Blockade of methylxanthine-sensitive adenosine receptors is the currently accepted mechanism of action of caffeine. <BR><!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote><a href="http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(88)90933-6/abstract" target="_blank">CAFFEINATED BEVERAGES AND DECREASED FERTILITY</a><blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1><b>quote:</b></font><p>104 healthy women who had been attempting to become pregnant for three months were interviewed about their use of caffeinated beverages, alcohol, and cigarettes. In their subsequent cycles, women who consumed more than the equivalent of one cup of coffee per day were half as likely to become pregnant, per cycle, as women who drank less. A dose-response effect was present.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
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Don, do you understand all that you quoted? If so tell us in layman terms what it all means. Like is it harmful or is it good for us. I personally do not drink coffee and didn't before becoming a SDA. <BR> <BR>Some people I know cannot function until they had a couple of cups. That is scary.
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Elaine, I read the same article and thought of the council the good sister gave the church. Like so many of her "health" councils, modern medicine has debunked.
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<b><font color="0000ff">do you understand all that you quoted?</font></b> <BR> <BR>Not completely, lol. But, from what I have read, caffeine is an active medicinal drug with it proper uses and its troubling side-effects. <BR> <BR>After looking over the way caffeine stimulates the central nervous system, it makes sense that it would benefit certain disorders of the nervous system, such as alzheimer's and parkinson's. <BR> <BR>Some people combine coffee-drinking with an overnight prep for an exam. Apparently, this is counter-productive. Though one can stay awake with its use, it seems that caffeine interferes with the thinking processes. <BR> <BR>Caffeine is also known to be addictive with withdrawal symptoms. <BR><font size="+2"><b><font color="0000ff">________________________________</font></b></font> <BR> <BR><b>Further Reading</b><blockquote><a href="http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/caff.html" target="_blank">Neuroscience for Kids, Caffeine</a> <BR> <BR><a href="http://health.howstuffworks.com/caffeine.htm" target="_blank">How Stuff Works, Caffeine</a> <BR> <BR>Exerpts<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1><b>quote:</b></font><p>As adenosine is created in the brain, it binds to adenosine receptors. The binding of adenosine causes drowsiness by slowing down nerve cell activity. In the brain, adenosine binding also causes blood vessels to dilate, most likely to let more oxygen in during sleep. <BR> <BR>To a nerve cell, caffeine looks like adenosine. Caffeine therefore binds to the adenosine receptor. However, it doesn't slow down the cell's activity like adenosine would. As a result, the cell can no longer identify adenosine because caffeine is taking up all the receptors that adenosine would normally bind to. Instead of slowing down because of the adenosine's effect, the nerve cells speed up. Caffeine also causes the brain's blood vessels to constrict, because it blocks adenosine's ability to open them up. This effect is why some headache medicines like Anacin contain caffeine -- if you have a vascular headache, the caffeine will close down the blood vessels and relieve it. <BR> <BR>So, now you have increased neuron firing in the brain. The pituitary gland sees all of this activity and thinks some sort of emergency must be occurring, so it releases hormones that tell the adrenal glands to produce adrenaline (epinephrine). Adrenaline is the "fight or flight" hormone, and it has a number of effects on your body... <BR> <BR><a href="http://health.howstuffworks.com/caffeine3.htm" target=_top>http://health.howstuffworks.com/caffeine3.htm</a><!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>and<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1><b>quote:</b></font><p>Caffeine also increases dopamine levels in the same way that amphetamines do. Dopamine is a neurotransmitter that activates pleasure centers in certain parts of the brain. Heroin and cocaine also manipulate dopamine levels by slowing down the rate of dopamine reabsorption. Obviously, caffeine's effect is much lower than heroin's, but it is the same mechanism. It is suspected that the dopamine connection contributes to caffeine addiction. <BR> <BR><a href="http://health.howstuffworks.com/caffeine4.htm" target=_top>http://health.howstuffworks.com/caffeine4.htm</a><!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>and<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1><b>quote:</b></font><p>There have been more than 19,000 studies on caffeine and coffee in the past 30 years in an attempt to determine its exact effects on the human body. One of the most thorough and exhaustive studies was done by Harvard University, in which they examined 126,000 people over an 18-year period. The findings indicate that people who drink one to three cups of coffee a day are up to 9 percent less likely to contract diabetes. What's interesting is what happened to those who drank six or more cups of coffee per day - men slashed their chances of contracting diabetes by 54 percent, and women by 30 percent [source: Kirchheimer]. <BR> <BR>Other studies have shown similar results in many facets of human health:<blockquote>•Regular coffee drinkers are 80 percent less likely to develop Parkinson's disease. <BR>•Two cups a day gives you 20 percent less risk of colon cancer. <BR>•Two cups a day causes an 80 percent drop in cirrhosis. <BR>•Two cups a day prevents gallstone development by 50 percent. <BR>•It has also shown to be beneficial in asthma, stopping headaches, boosting mood and even preventing cavities [source: Kirchheimer].</blockquote> <BR>Some of these findings may have something to do with other healthful properties of the coffee bean, but most can be directly linked to caffeine. Researchers are even developing drugs for Parkinson's disease containing caffeine derivatives. <BR> <BR>Recent studies show caffeine can help fight disease. <BR> <BR>Another interesting study by The Byrd Alzheimer's Institute in Tampa, Fla., showed that lab mice injected with caffeine were protected against developing Alzheimer's disease. The injections even helped reduce symptoms in those that had the disease. The findings lead doctors to believe that up to five cups of coffee a day could have the same positive effect on humans [source: Arendash]. <BR> <BR><a href="http://health.howstuffworks.com/caffeine5.htm" target=_top>http://health.howstuffworks.com/caffeine5.htm</a> <BR> <BR><!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote></blockquote>It seems to me that caffeine can be helpful and it can be harmful. Some intelligence applied to one's usage is recommended. <IMG SRC="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":-)" BORDER=0> <BR> <BR>Regarding EGW's counsel and caffeine. Those of us who respect her counsel become alert to the dangers. As in several other matters, EGW seems to be overstating her case. (I suggest that part of EGW's writing style is to overstate matters. Recall James White's essay on this. <a href="http://www.atomorrow.net/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=11&post=5849#POST5849" target="_blank">**HERE**</a> ) <BR> <BR>My recommendation for those making use of Ellen White's counsel includes reading James White's cautions, understanding the overstatement features in much of her counsel, seek to understand the most current science on the topic, and apply all information wisely and cautiously. <BR> <BR><font color="ffffff"><font size="-2">.</font></font>
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Why must we be limited to heeding EGW's or James White's counsel when medical science 100 years newer has shown the benefits? Do you disagree with these medical findings? <BR> <BR>Just as you have shown, there are great health benefits from MODERATE caffeine intake. Do you refute these findings? <BR> <BR><b><font size="+1">Regular coffee drinkers are 80 percent less likely to develop Parkinson's disease. <BR>•Two cups a day gives you 20 percent less risk of colon cancer. <BR>•Two cups a day causes an 80 percent drop in cirrhosis. <BR>•Two cups a day prevents gallstone development by 50 percent. <BR>•It has also shown to be beneficial in asthma, stopping headaches, boosting mood and even preventing cavities </font></b>[source: Kirchheimer].
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<b><font color="0000ff">Why must we be limited to heeding EGW's or James White's counsel when medical science 100 years newer has shown the benefits?</font></b> <BR> <BR>It would be unwise to limit ourselves to their counsel. Science marches on. For me, EGW's counsel remains relevant as does James White's cautions. In the 1800's when medical science was in its infancy, EGW's health messages served the church well; they still do. But, when I get alzheimers, I hope someone will try the coffee cure on me. <IMG SRC="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":-)" BORDER=0> <BR> <BR><b><font color="0000ff">Do you disagree with these medical findings?</font></b> <BR> <BR>On what basis would I disagree? I promote an Adventism where sound science is considered to be a valuable revelation from God. I am getting quite used to considering contradictions in the divine revelation, lol. <BR> <BR>The findings cited do not give a problem-free report for caffeine. Its addictive properties work the same way heroine's does, though quite a bit milder. I hold some concern for people who seem to latch on to positive findings while ignoring the negative. <BR> <BR>Recall James White's call for balance. I have benefited from caffeine's ability to remove a headache. The information given in the quotes provided in my earlier post seem quite balanced. Adventists, perhaps former Adventists, need to examine the evidence without a sense of rebellion against what the church teaches. Examine the facts, make life-style choices accordingly. Some day, the church may integrate these new revelations into their health promotion message. <BR><font color="ffffff"><font size="-2">.</font></font>
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<b><font color="0000ff">Some day, the church may integrate these new revelations into their health promotion message. </font></b> <BR> <BR>Until then, common sense from the grassroots will make their own medical decisions, as they should. <BR> <BR>At my age, one, rarely two cups of coffee (instant is less strong) "wakes" me up and helps to get me moving. All my family either drinks a little coffee, or tea and has had good health. <BR> <BR>Of course, moderation in all we do is excellent advice at all times. My children, and I, are all glad we were raised to eat simply of whole grains, fruits and veggies, with sweets in very limited amounts. If all people ate this way, many of the chronic medical problems faced today would not even be there: obesity, diabetes, heart failure, severe arthritis, and more. <BR> <BR>PLUS: the most important of all: a good attitude: facing life with optimism is a wonderful gift. <BR>.
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<font color="0000ff">PLUS: the most important of all: a good attitude: facing life with optimism is a wonderful gift. </font> <BR> <BR>I just wonder what kind of optimism is possible when there's been a lifelong emphasis on waiting for those beasts to ravage the earth; and for the God's chosen to prepare for the worst from the rest of earth's population. The Korash compound was a microcosm of the underlying expectation for the SDA church - not as focused and not as frenzied, but there nevertheless. Even now, decades after I began extracting myself from the traditional mindset of SDA theology, I'm still struggling at times to focus on the gifts of this life, rather trying to shake off the remnant mentality. <BR> <BR>Do people who are so involved with cosmic causes know how to actually live with the gifts God has given us? I cringe when I hear that this world is worth nothing and all we have is to look forward to something that's supposed to come later. If we can't enjoy life now, why would we want an endless future. Would we know what to do with it when there's nobody left to proselytize?
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Sirje, only by totally divorcing from the mindset you mention gives peace. <BR> <BR>"Life without death would be miserable." <BR> <BR>Imagine a life where 2,000 years are just the beginning. Sounds like ell, doesn't it? <BR> <BR>"Eternal life is the truest of Hells." When we all know that death is coming for all of us, we can more fully live life today., <BR> <BR>"If death is not there what good is in living." <BR> <BR>(I think Neal posted these, but they are too good not to read again.) <BR> <BR>Who wants to live forever? We should be happy for our three score ten, and more if we're lucky, shouldn't we?
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<b><font color="0000ff">I cringe when I hear that this world is worth nothing and all we have is to look forward to something that's supposed to come later.</font></b> <BR> <BR>I have always admired carefree happy people. Some Adventists, too. I doubt that my tendency to a sombre outlook on life originates with Adventism. Rather, I think my sombre outlook latches on to certain features of Adventism. Whatever, I have found that relying fully on Jesus' merits for my acceptance with God has brought a positive outlook into my soul. <BR> <BR>Also, there are common events to all humanity: the birth of one's child; a friendly greeting from a former student; the familiar call of a Scarlet Tanager; the fresh flow of endorphins after a vigorous workout; etc. etc. etc. <BR><font size="-2"><font color="ffffff">.</font></font>
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I'd LOVE to live forever. I wouldn't want to in a world of suffering and pain; sadness and heartbreak. <BR> <BR>Give me a place where there are worlds to discover and people to meet, new animals to pet and lots of loving people. Boy, would I love that!!!!! <BR> <BR>And most of all, to see my family and loved ones again.
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The real question: If there was no hope for an afterlife, how would we live today? <BR> <BR>We should live and make the most of every day; not selfishly but in helping others and reaching out toward our potential. <BR> <BR>No one would want to live forever in this world; but no one is eager to leave it, either!
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<font color="0000ff">Who wants to live forever?</font> <BR> <BR>I do.....and so far, its working. <BR> <BR>if only to satisfy the curiosity factor.... <BR> <BR>when will science find cures for cancers.... <BR>how badly will Obama's programs put the USA into debt <BR>how long before we all speak chineese? <BR>is everybody really after me?? <BR><img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/messages/89/1642.gif" alt=""> <BR>when will the church finally recognize that we cannot live in the EGG White past..... <BR>its the future where we are going to live our lives <BR> <BR>or not....
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Speaking as to you reference about the church still living in the EGW past, I was absolutely astonished to see in the July 16th issue of the Review, pictures and names of the FIFTEEN board of trustee members for the White estate. <BR> <BR>FIFTEEN PEOPLE ???????? I wonder if they get a salary for holding that position.
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<b><font color="0000ff">FIFTEEN PEOPLE ???????? I wonder if they get a salary for holding that position.</font></b> <BR> <BR>It is not unusual for an enterprise like the White Estate to have such board. I have served on a few community boards. All were volunteer positions. The only salaried individual was the director of the organization. Community board work is often considered an honour. It is also quite a pleasant task and provides opportunity for interaction with others on the board. <BR> <BR>Here is the current(?) list of the White Estate Board. I would be surprised if these individuals served for personal financial reasons.<blockquote><blockquote><ul><li>Don C. Schneider, Chair; North American Division President. <LI>E. Edward Zinke, Vice Chair; Ann's House of Nuts, Former President of the Adventist Theological Society. <LI>James R. Nix, Secretary; Director of the White Estate. <LI>Charles D. Brooks, retired speaker/director of the Breath of Life telecast. <LI>William G. Johnsson, Retired Review Editor. <LI>Bill Knott, Review Editor. <LI>Kathleen Kuntaraf, MD, MPH, Associate Health Ministries Director For General Conference. <LI>Harold L. Lee, chairman of the Adventist HealthCare Board of Trustees; former president of the Columbia Union Conference. <LI>Robert E. Lemon, Treasurer of the General Conference. <LI>Baraka G. Muganda, World Youth Ministries Director for the World Church of Seventh-day Adventists. <LI>Jan Paulsen, President of the General Conference. <LI>George W. Reid, retired, former director of the Biblical Research Institute. <LI>Angel Rodriguez, Biblical Research Institute. <LI>Francis W. Wernick, Retired General Conference Vice-president. <LI>Neal C. Wilson Retired General Conference President.</li></ul></blockquote></blockquote><a href="http://www.adventistyearbook.org/default.aspx?&page=ViewAdmField&Section=DeptSvc&Search=white%20estate&AdmFieldID=GC" target="_blank">http://www.adventistyearbook.org/default.aspx?&page=ViewAdmField&Section=DeptSvc&Search=white%20estate&AdmFieldID=GC</a> <BR> <BR>(Message edited by Don on July 20, 2009)
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Note the number (or lack thereof) of laymen.
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It would be interesting to read the White Estate Board minutes. What kind of issues do they face? <BR> <BR>At the Nashville Teachers' Convention I watched James Nix interact with a group discussing issues. I was impressed. He seemed thoughtful and considerate. <BR><font color="ffffff"><font size="-2">.</font></font>
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The latest Review showed pictures of all the trustees. One woman! No surprise there.
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E. Edward Zinke, Vice Chair; <BR> <BR><font color="0000ff">Ann's House of Nuts,</font>?????? <BR> <BR>seems appropriate
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I'm not troubled so much by the names on the list of trustees as I am that a little old lady's writings, many, many years ago, should be so important. Put them in a library somewhere along with a lot of other books, okay, but a whole library vault with a large committee overseeing them. That's too much for me. <BR> <BR>I don't think we have a large group of people guarding the writings and tapes of Richard Nies or Jack Provonsha, or Heppenstal, do we? I don't think so!!! Nor would they want that to happen.
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Renie, <BR> <BR>The writings must be "protected" from prying eyes. The lessons were learned with those who have written the "truth" about their compilation, the "writing assistants" who wrote much of what is attributed to her, and the entire <BR>public persona built around her is a monument to fear and deceit. <BR> <BR>If the Bible had the same number of "trustees" to make sure the "right" texts were given, where would Christianity be today? <BR> <BR>Let EGW RIP
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Is there no other devotional writer in the entire world of Christendom who cannot be used by the Review? Each week, they continue to print an article by the long dead EGwhite.
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<b><font color="0000ff">...that a little old lady's writings, many, many years ago, should be so important... <BR> <BR>but a whole library vault with a large committee overseeing them. That's too much for me.</font></b> <BR> <BR>But, from my insider's perspective, it makes sense. Ellen White's writings are believed to be messages given through the gift of prophecy; prophetic inspiration. <BR> <BR>If her writings were treated the same as other SDA authors, it would be a denial of the belief that they are special. <BR> <BR>As I consider practices by people of faith regarding sacred texts, I note:<blockquote>Ellen White's writings, inspite of all the difficulties, are viewed as inspired prophetic messages. Thus, her writings are dealt with carefully. <BR> <BR>Also, this explains why it bothers me that the White Estate, on rare occasions, changes the wording in her work. Her writings are part of our sacred collection. Not given the same regard as the Bible, but still sacred. <BR> <BR>We treat, and have treated, her writings as a secondary, lesser canon of the same nature as the Biblical Canon. <BR> <BR>So it makes sense that this little old lady's writings should she so carefully managed.</blockquote> <BR><b><font color="0000ff">Is there no other devotional writer in the entire world of Christendom who cannot be used by the Review? Each week, they continue to print an article by the long dead EGwhite.</font></b> <BR> <BR>Look over a recent Review, there are many other authors who present devotional thoughts, a few of them are even pretty good, lol. <BR> <BR>My English major son has trouble with EGW's didactic style. But that is OK. For us Adventists, EGW's writings are special, not perfect examples of English, or theology, for that matter. Thus, it makes sense to preserve them carefully. <BR> <BR>As mentioned <a href="http://www.atomorrow.net/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=87&post=5941#POST5941" target="_blank">on another thread</a>, I recently visited <a href="http://www.covenantforum.com/discus/messages/1121/2707.html" target="_blank">the Dead Sea Scrolls</a> at Toronto's Royal Ontario Museum. What royal treatment those Scrolls get; low lighting, armed guard, air-sealed display cases, never all flown in the same airplane, etc. etc. etc. Some of these manuscripts are not even sacred writings. Yet, I certainly approve of the care for them. <BR> <BR>As an Adventist, I want EGW's writings carefully, yet openly managed. I am pleased the folks like Tom have stirred up the White Estate to put the writings out there for all to study. <BR> <BR>As a budding historian, I want those writings cared for. When I studied about <a href="http://www.covenantforum.com/discus/messages/584/1116.html?1232596667" target="_blank">Alonzo Barry</a> and noted a letter not yet available about him, I contacted the White Estate and asked about the letter. One assistant didn't know how to relate to me; but one the main caretakers knew me from before and released <a href="http://www.covenantforum.com/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=584&post=3214#POST3214" target="_blank">a copy of the letter</a> to me with certain restrictions on what I published. I was pleased with their carefulness and with their trust and openness. <BR> <BR>Does the White Estate handle things properly all the time? No. As an Adventist, am I pleased that EGW's writings are managed carefully? Yes. <BR><font color="ffffff"><font size="-2">.</font></font>
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look at the list of "trustees" again... <BR> <BR><a href="http://www.atomorrow.net/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=89&post=6114#POST6114" target=_top>http://www.atomorrow.net/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?t pc=89&post=6114#POST6114</a> <BR> <BR>and stop wondering why the SDA church is wedded to the EGW estate and keeps promoting it. <BR> <BR>it appears to be a deliberate attempt by the estate to keep some form of control over the church!!! <BR> <BR>can anybody find out what the "trustees" are paid? or what "perks" devolve?....
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