Deadly new flu strain erupts in Mexico, U.S.

bob_2 · 04-24-09 11:30 pm

Deadly new flu strain erupts in Mexico, U.S. <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE53N22820090424?sp=true" target=_top>http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE53N2 2820090424?sp=true</a> <blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!>quote:... Mexico reported 1,004 suspected cases of the new virus, including four possible cases in Mexicali on the border with California. Most of the dead were aged between 25 and 45, a health official said. It was a worrying sign as seasonal flu can be more deadly among the very young and the very old but a hallmark of pandemics is that they affect healthy young adults. ... In California, where six people have been infected with the flu, Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger said authorities were monitoring patients with flu-like symptoms and communicating with Mexican health officials. Mexico's government cautioned people not to shake hands or kiss when greeting or to share food, glasses or cutlery. Flu virus can be spread on the hands, and handwashing is one of the most important ways to prevent its spread. The outbreak jolted residents of the Mexican capital, one of the world's biggest cities with around 20 million residents. One pharmacy ran out of surgical face masks after selling 300 in a day. The virus is an influenza A virus, carrying the designation H1N1. It contains DNA from avian, swine and human viruses, including elements from European and Asian swine viruses, said the CDC, which is already working on a vaccine. Scientists were trying to understand why there are so many deaths in Mexico when the infections in the United States seem mild, Besser said. The CDC said it will issue daily updates here Surveillance for and scrutiny of influenza has been stepped up since 2003, when H5N1 bird flu reappeared in Asia. Experts fear that or another strain could cause a pandemic that could kill millions. The last flu pandemic was in 1968 when "Hong Kong" flu killed about a million people globally. <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> All the more reason for our border with Mexico to be secure, and that fence finished, COMPLETELY. Obama seems with his policies on immigration to be working against protection by his open policy he is proposing, not correcting the violations of the past and prosecuting violaters. Wonder if the next election, and his potential legacy as a two term president may be in the balance as his popularity is slipping with legitimate citizens, eh??

john8verse32 · 04-25-09 1:47 pm

another evidence proving evilution....? and right before our eyes!!! The virus is an influenza A virus, carrying the designation H1N1. It contains DNA from avian, swine and human viruses, including elements from European and Asian swine viruses, said the CDC, which is already working on a vaccine

bob_2 · 04-25-09 3:22 pm

Is that from one kind to another kind, John. Maybe proof of adaption, but not macroevolution, micro maybe.

neal · 04-25-09 4:14 pm

Bob The Biblical "kind" means species. You are making a ridiculous argument. It doesn't mean all the elephants are a "kind", or all the cattle (bison, water buffalo, cow) or all the hawks or all the eagles are "kinds". One "kind" of owl is a different "kind" than another owl. Even Microevolution is contrary from the clear word from the tribal god of the goat herders. And forget the apologists that need to group them together for their IDiotic Creationist arguments like you just did with the virus.<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!>quote:Leviticus 11:13`And these ye do abominate of the fowl; they are not eaten, an abomination they [are]: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray, 14 and the vulture, and the kite after its kind, 15 every raven after its kind, 16 and the owl, and the night-hawk, and the cuckoo, and the hawk after its kind, 17 and the little owl, and the cormorant, and the great owl, 18 and the swan, and the pelican, and the gier eagle, 19 and the stork, the heron after its kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=leviticus%2011" target=_top>http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=leviti cus%2011</a>;&version=15; To top it off, the Bible calls a bat a bird. Whoopsieeeee.

neal · 04-25-09 9:14 pm

Wonder if the next election, and his potential legacy as a two term president may be in the balance as his popularity is slipping with legitimate citizens, eh?? Do you have some evidence for that? And, since you are not a citizen, you will have no say in the next election anyway. He could turn out to be the most popular president since Kennedy or outdo Bush's plunge into the abyss of the country's outrage. <img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/messages/89/1070.gif" alt=""> Seems to me the only group that is sinking in favorable ratings for Obama are the Party of No. Since my old party is not even in the debate anymore except on Faux News they are irrelevant. If you go to this site <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/weeklytrends" target=_top>http://www.dailykos.com/weeklytrends</a> and select the combination of the tabs "President Obama" + "Favorables by Geography" you will see that the Northeast is around +80%, the West and Midwest are around +55%, and the South is at a -10%. The South is the Republican Base now. They are a bunch of white religious loons with confederate Flags flying form their porches, their truck antennas, and in the windows of their mobile homes. As President Eisenhower said, they are few in number and they are stupid.

bob_2 · 04-25-09 11:34 pm

You do not understand the Biblical use of the word kind. It is the family, like all dogs, and no Irish Setter mating with a Golden Retriever will ever produce a cat, a different Kind. You know this I know, you're just playing dumb.

neal · 04-25-09 11:50 pm

Your statement is without doubt false as Leviticus clearly states. "Every raven after its kind". Lists two owls as different kinds. Nowhere in the Bible does it state that genus was "kind" but in Leviticus it does clearly state that species were "kinds". Read the text and stop eagerly accepting the brainwashing of the apologists.

bob_2 · 04-25-09 11:56 pm

24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. Gen 1:25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. <a href="http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/macro.html" target=_top>http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/macro.html</a> I know you know this, you are not an ignorant person, but I submit it for the benefit of other readers, for their understanding.

bob_2 · 04-26-09 6:57 pm

Neal, looking up the word "kind" in Lev 11:15 one finds this: <blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!>quote:Goups of living organisms belong in the same created "kind" if they have descended from the same ancestral gene pool. This does not preclude new species because this represents a partitioning of the original gene pool. Information is lost or conserved—not gained. A new species could arise when a population is isolated and inbreeding occurs. By this definition a new species is not a new "kind" but a further partitioning of an existing "kind".<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> <a href="http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H4327&t=KJV" target=_top>http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexico n.cfm?Strongs=H4327&t=KJV</a> Partitioning within a kind is possible, species within a family or main species, if there is isolation and inbreeding.

john8verse32 · 04-28-09 5:42 pm

back to swine flu.... and its evidence that what we thought we once understand to be the truth may not have been!!!..... virii are still evolving...even today. and we may not have immunization from past influenza or vaccines ready to counter this new version . <a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17026-swine-flu-what-you-need-to-know.html" target=_top>http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17026-swine- flu-what-you-need-to-know.html</a> two school kids in my area just got back from a week in Mexico...and were just diagnosed with it.

bob_2 · 04-28-09 5:52 pm

John, no problem here about mutations within viruses creating new viruses, microevolution at work!!!

bob_2 · 04-28-09 6:20 pm

You meant the "Mexico Flu" or the "H1N1 Flu" or "The Other White Meat Flu"? Who do you trust the Europeans, or our officials like Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack? Save the Pork industry, eh??? <a href="http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N28343516.htm" target=_top>http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N28343516 .htm</a>

neal · 04-29-09 6:47 am

All the more reason for our border with Mexico to be secure, and that fence finished, COMPLETELY. What you are implying (probably regurgitated Rush or Beck) is that the flu came to the USA via illegals crossing an unfenced border. As usual, a FAIL.<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!>quote:Cases of swine flu have also been confirmed in the United States, Canada, New Zealand, Israel, Britain, Spain and Germany, which said a man who recently returned from holiday in Mexico had tested positive for the new H1N1 strain.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN2947261920090429" target=_top>http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN294726 1920090429</a> Bob, have u ever heard of commercial aviation? Tourism? We could have built a fence across the whole border 5,000 feet high and it wouldn't keep New Zealand OR the USA from the spread of this evolved virus. The only way to slow down an outbreak is to stop all travel between countries. Please explain, in your own words, how a fence in the dirt could have had any impact in stopping the spread of a flu pandemic.

john8verse32 · 04-29-09 8:37 am

a fence in the dirt no fence is going to stop the spread, as Neal points out.... however, there might be some interesting socio-economic factors at play if there were a leak-proof fence. One might speculate that the folks who are financially disadvanteged (without cable) to the point they can only afford to CLIMB over the fence, might be less able to afford medical attention, and therefore might be more affected by the ailment, possibly rendering them more contagious to their peers..... ...while those who can afford to FLY over the fence, might have CATV, WiFi, and better health plans,!!! they would find out sooner what they have, how to treat and isolate it from their peers. and be less likely to spread it as quickly. put me down for the fence. only, as Carlos Mencia points out, if we kick out all the Mexicans, who are we gonna get to build it?

john8verse32 · 04-29-09 9:44 am

the fence might have helped avoid the first death in the US!!!! Reuters: A baby in Texas has died of the H1N1 flu strain, the first confirmed death outside Mexico from a virus which health officials fear could cause a pandemic as it spread to two more countries in Europe. Nearly a week after the threat emerged in Mexico, where up to 159 people have died, a U.S. official said on Wednesday a 23-month-old had died in the state bordering Mexico. A health official said \b {the baby was Mexican and was in the United States for medical treatment} can we presume an illegal? hoping for free medical care for his family at a US emergency room....better than hoped for back in Mexico... a secure border might have prevented this....

neal · 04-29-09 9:58 am

I am for a fence. Arguing for a fence on the basis that illegals somehow would increase the danger of a pandemic is baseless and speculative at this point. A LARGE % of the population in south Texas are hispanic. People tend to travel to their ancestral country. Illegals don't travel because they can't get back in. If there was an outbreak of, say, German measles, where do you think it might have come from 80 years ago? On a boat. I would have had 2 additional aunts or uncles if it hadn't been for that disease. Additionally, look at a map and tell me how the border area of Texas would have any difference in the number of incidences of this flu if there were a fence? <img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/messages/89/1142.jpg" alt=""> I have to call BS on your line of thinking.

neal · 04-29-09 9:59 am

The link: <a href="http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6398202.html" target=_top>http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6398202. html</a>

john8verse32 · 04-29-09 10:39 am

my hypothesis again? fence slows down illegal migration, migrant workers..... people who can afford to fly, usually can afford health plans other than the free clinic or ER.... and Moses may have been right about pigs!!!!! Investigators are working on two hypotheses, Lezana said. La Gloria is near a huge pig farm, and residents have complained that the agribusiness is contaminating their soil, water and air. However, Lezana said that state inspectors have tested pigs throughout Veracruz and found no sick animals. La Gloria and surrounding parts of Veracruz are also home to many migrant workers who travel between Mexico and the United States <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-mexico-flu-victim29-2009apr29%2C0%2C5477506.story" target=_top>http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-f g-mexico-flu-victim29-2009apr29,0,5477506.story</a> maybe that is how we shudda been extracting info from terrorists.... locking them in their cells with pigs as roommates until they spill their guts literally and verbally!!!

neal · 04-29-09 11:49 am

Looks like they found the flu in San Diego through a free clinic. This Dr. also makes a rational scenario against closing the border with Mexico.<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!>quote: An issue that keeps coming up is the idea of closing the U.S.-Mexico border. Already at various border crossing points, customs authorities are having people who appear sick taken to a secondary inspection area for further evaluation. More systematic monitoring at border crossing and airports such as mouth swabs has been proposed. Is that a good strategy? I would argue that it is not. The U.S.-Mexico border is one of the busiest in the world with millions of people and goods crossing each day. Many items that we routinely use in the United States are produced in Mexico and closing the border would have a crippling effect to the United States. For example, in the event of a serious flu outbreak in this country there would be a need for mechanical ventilator deployments to hospitals. The national stockpile has sufficient ventilators, but the necessary circuits that are needed to operate them are not produced in the United States but in Mexico, so having them come across to this country is critical for taking care of critically ill patients in the United States.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/04/29/del.rio.flu/index.html" target=_top>http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/04/29/del.rio.flu/i ndex.html</a>

george · 04-30-09 4:47 am

Has anyone heard if there are any cases SOUTH of Mexico? If not, why not? It seems the original outbreak was in southern Mexico.

bob_2 · 04-30-09 4:57 pm

Neal said: <a href="http://www.atomorrow.net/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=89&post=4561#POST4561" target=_top>http://www.atomorrow.net/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?t pc=89&post=4561#POST4561</a> If you stop the planes but not the guys and gals treking in across the desert, have you stopped all potential sources of the virus???

bob_2 · 04-30-09 5:51 pm

Napolitano retracts 'passive surveillance' term <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090429/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_swine_flu_passive_or_active_1" target=_top>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090429/ap_on_go_ca_st _pe/us_swine_flu_passive_or_active_1</a> Boy, am I relieved about this clarification. Don't you feel safer??? <img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/clipart/lol.gif" border=0>

elaine · 04-30-09 10:24 pm

Network News tonight reports that Ft. Worth schools were closed because 1 student of 80,0000 had contracted the flu! Overreaction? Fear has taken over. An older local doctor said as much and he's seen more than most any physician in the area.

bob_2 · 05-01-09 12:26 am

How much is 80,0000??? Eh, Elaine. Texas numbers bigger than other places???? <img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/clipart/rofl.gif" border=0>

elaine · 05-01-09 10:24 pm

It happens to be one of the larges public school districts in many states. To suspend schools for 80,000 students because only 1 had flu is certainly overreacting. Some schools have closed for a week with scrambling parents to find daycare, etc. Yes, it overreaction based on F E A R

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