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Regarding Natasha Richardson's death, as a result of falling on a ski path at a Canadian ski resort, this story emphasizes her turning down a a helmet but: <BR> <BR><blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1><b>quote:</b></font><p>There were claims last night that Natasha did not reach a hospital for four hours — three hours longer than thought. <BR> <BR>And paramedics said they saw her sitting on a stretcher soon after her fall — NOT walking around laughing as first reported. <BR> <BR>It was also claimed that Quebec’s lack of an air ambulance may have contributed to a fatal delay <BR><!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> <BR> <BR>Don, bro, what is the word on the street in Canada about this incident???
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Bob <BR> <BR>The title to this thread is extremely misleading, damages the reputation of medical people in Canada, and implies malpractice, IMO. <BR> <BR>It could be titled: <b>What Happens When Rich Chick Wants to Keep Her Hair Pretty</b>. <BR> <BR>1. She refused a helmet <BR> <BR>2. It can be safely assumed that she refused a visit to the clinic of the ski resort <BR> <BR>3. Her instructor accompanied her back to her room???? <BR> <BR>Our son had a major accident skiing 3 years ago. He was unconscious on the mountain for about ten minutes. They put him on a backboard with a neck brace and transported him to the base where he was admitted to the clinic. He was at the clinic for 3 hours. Due to bad weather he was transported by ambulance to a trauma center in Denver. This trip took 4 hours. He was admitted to ER and was only THEN able to have a CT scan. That's seven hours on a backboard. Seven hours from accident to ER. <BR> <BR>This is the USA medicine. Again, your implication that this lady's death and the events leading to it are somehow indicative of Canadian medicine is founded in your own personal bias from listening to Rush too much or something similar. <BR> <BR>PS As far as the paramedics seeing her sitting on a stretcher "soon after her fall"? If you took the time to look at the timeline you would have noticed that she was admitted to hospital at 4:20, "nearly 4 hours after her fall". The first paramedics arrived at 1 PM which is at least 1/2 hr AFTER her fall. Therefore, what she was doing soon after her fall cannot be known by the paramedics as they did not see her soon after her fall.
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Neal, how did you son come out? I am hoping, 'cause you didn't mention it, that he is fine. How old was he at the time? <BR> <BR>Sometimes life just happens. Accidents happen and the end is not very good. I lost a daughter and two grandchildren in an automobile accident many years ago. The accident was caused by a mistake by my daughter and a mistake by the trucker that ran into her. <BR> <BR>It was awful for my husband and I and I was angry at God for awhile, but I finally realized that ya have to chalk it up to life on this earth, I guess. <BR> <BR>renie
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Does anyone else wonder whether those Christians who so believe in prayer are more or less content with a "No" answer than those who simply say life is always dangerous and fragile, and God doesn't remove the obstacles.
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Irene <BR> <BR>Thanks so much for your concern. Our son is pretty much back to what he would have been. He is a bit shorter because of the compression fractures in his spine. He had a broken back back they did not have to operate because the compression fractures were right at the 50% threshold cuttoff for operating, he was young (17), and the spinal cord was not severely damaged. <BR> <BR>He was lucky. He had gone so high in the jump that when he landed his face went between his knees, causing the compression fractures in his spine between the shoulder blades. He was fitted for a torso brace which he had to wear for several months and lost some of his math skills. He had to relearn the fall semester of math while trying to keep up with the second semester kids. That spring semester was his worst GPA of the 4 years of HS. Also, he was on serious pain medication for a couple of months. I applaud him for not missing a day of school. <BR> <BR><font color="0000ff"> Accidents happen and the end is not very good.</font> <BR> <BR>All we can do is try to minimize the potential for accidents. Actually, I prefer not to characterize them as accidents because most of the time somebody made a mistake. When it ends in a debilitating situation for those involved or a death its not possible to just pray and have things forgiven. Decisions have consequences. We are responsible for our decisions. Its not that the devil made me do it or I thought it was the right thing.... Its, hey, I screwed up and I take responsibility for it. <BR> <BR>I have a 22 mile commute to my office. It follows a road which is 2 lane and subject to some of the most extreme driving conditions in the country. Winds of 80+ MPH are common. It is both hands on the wheel driving most of the time. Trucks get blown over, there are multiple fatalities every year. I went past a rollover today which I fully expect will have a memorial marker in the morning. That is a risk I take. Its not just life. I could have my office near my house but its a risk I choose. <BR> <BR>Sometimes, people do not get to choose the risks. Breast cancer. Birth defects. The actions of others. For some to sit here and say we have free will... they are the most ignorant among us.
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Man's freewill has to do with salvation from sin, not from accidents, breast cancer, birth defects, the actions of others, for some to suggest that we don't have free will choice to be saved are .....Calvinists. The U in T U L I P, is Unconditional Election. No choice, God makes it for you. Not about accidents, but about salvation. Some are saved, some are created or born to be destroyed for His glory, one of the most horrible doctrines the Reformer came up with.
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<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1><b>quote:</b></font><p>First, why, if species have descended from other species by fine gradations, do we not everywhere see ÝNNUMERABLE TRANSÝTÝONAL FORMS? Why is not all nature in confusion, instead of the species being, as we see them, WELL DEFÝNED? . . . But, as by this theory innumerable transitional forms must have existed, why do WE NOT FÝND THEM embedded in countless numbers in the crust of the earth?… This perhaps is the MOST OBVÝOUS AND GRAVEST OBJECTÝON WHÝCH CAN BE URGED AGAÝNST MY THEORY. - Charles Darwin <BR><!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> <BR> <BR><a href="http://www.darwinism-watch.com/index.php?git=makale&makale_id=1571" target=_top>http://www.darwinism-watch.com/index.php?git=makal e&makale_id=1571</a> <BR> <BR><a href="http://us1.fmanager.net/api_v1/productDetail.php?dev-t=EDCRFV&objectId=8585" target=_top>http://us1.fmanager.net/api_v1/productDetail.php?d ev-t=EDCRFV&objectId=8585</a> <BR> <BR>This last article sort of goes against what is said about Europe being predominantly Darwinist. Kind of scary though, it has a predominant believer in Allah.
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<font color="0000ff">Kind of scary though, it has a predominant believer in Allah.</font> <BR> <BR>Have you ever been to Europe? <BR> <BR>If not....
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Seen the fires in the streets whent the Muslims were protesting. Maybe under control now but they have a large Muslim population that will change the "flavor" of Europe, whether I visit or not.
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Bob <BR> <BR>I have already stated to you that there are whole sections of Darwin's writings where he asks questions and outlines the possible problems with his then-theory. <BR> <BR>He was a scientist. Scientists ask questions of themselves and their research. It is to be expected. The goat herders never asked "Is the earth round?". They said it had a dome and was made in 6 days. Show us the dome.
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Bob <BR> <BR>Why are you posting stuff about free will and Darwin on this thread. You lost? or something. Stressed. Worrying about your license renewal? What's the problem man.
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So you haven't been to Europe but are making blanket statements about Europe? Don't believe what you read.
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<font color="0000ff">they have a large Muslim population</font> <BR> <BR>How large is it from your reading?
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Let's start another thread on Muslims in Europe so you don't get offended by wrong traffic on a thread. <img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/clipart/kiss.gif" border=0>
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Neal said: <BR> <BR><a href="http://www.atomorrow.net/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=89&post=3293#POST3293" target=_top>http://www.atomorrow.net/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?t pc=89&post=3293#POST3293</a> <BR> <BR>You are the one that brought up about free will in your thread about your son. You should be not quite so insulting. It is unbecoming, or predictable, I guess.
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Natasha Richardson was in two Canadian hospitals before being transferred to a US hospital in NY. Whether "burr holes" at the point she reached a Montreal hospital would have relieved pressure on her brain is unclear. <BR> <BR>(Message edited by Bob_2 on March 25, 2009)
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Check out the benefit of the Richardson story: <BR> <BR><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/03/26/head.injury.emergency/index.html?eref=rss_topstories" target=_top>http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/03/26/head.injury.e mergency/index.html?eref=rss_topstories</a>
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