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<font color="0000ff">Maggie, you feel alot better not mocking and praying more. God is great.</font> <BR> <BR>Hey Bob- Isn't all the posting you do here cutting into your praying time?
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Maggie <BR> <BR>I was watching this video- thought of you. <BR> <BR><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXA7GA9yntc" target=_top>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXA7GA9yntc</a> <BR> <BR>Come to think of it, reminds me of me. It should be illegal to subject young people to some of the garbage we were subjected to.
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Thanks, Neal - I'll watch that ASAP. I watched the one with Ian McEwan.
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I watched the first few minutes just now. <BR> <BR>It was very telling that she said she didn't feel ready "yet" to help people who had been religiously abused. <BR> <BR>The play of emotions on her face was intriguing as she said that. She looks at least as old, or older than I, and she's not ready "yet." <BR> <BR>Don't you find that interesting? <BR> <BR>Religious abuse runs very, very deep. <BR> <BR>I believe it causes brain damage. <BR> <BR>And I believe telling children that God is going to burn people alive is religious abuse, just on the face of it. <BR> <BR>So many people on the Internet talk about childhoods ruined by terror of God. <BR> <BR>I believe they/we have suffered brain damage.
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<font color="0000ff">It should be illegal to subject young people to some of the garbage we were subjected to.</font> <BR> <BR>I would like to encourage you to think a bit more about that. <BR> <BR>It seems to have resonance with God burning people alive at the end of time, i.e., if you don't like something, and you're bigger, stamp it out. <BR> <BR>I think the human race is learning the slow, hard way about religion. If we don't destroy ourselves, we'll end up in a better place, eventually. <BR> <BR>Making religious teaching illegal will only energize the faithful through persecution, as always happens, and postpone the lessons.<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1><b>quote:</b></font><p><b>Jill Mytton:</b> <BR> <BR>Do you see religion as ineradicable, or do you think there is a chance to change people's minds on religion? <BR> <BR>I think it is ineradicable, and I think it is a terrible idea to suppress it, too. We have tried that and it joins the list of political oppression. It seems to be fairly deeply stitched into human nature. It seems to be part of all cultures, so I don't expect it to vanish. And yet at the same time, if it is built into human nature, why are there so many people who don't believe in it? I think it is important that people with no religious beliefs speak up and speak for what they value. It is a bit of a problem, the title "Atheist"--no one really wants to be defined by what they do not believe in. We haven't yet settled on a name, but you wouldn't expect a Baptist minister to go around calling himself an "aDarwinist". But it is crucial that people who do not have a sky god and don't have a set of supernatural beliefs assert their belief in moral values and in love and in the transcendence that they might experience in landscape or art or music or sculpture or whatever. Since they do not believe in an afterlife, it makes them give more valence to life itself. The little spark that we do have becomes all the more valuable when you can't be trading off any moments for eternity. <BR> <BR><a href="http://richarddawkins.net/article" target="_blank">2159,Interview-with-Ian-McEwan,The-New-Republic,ht tp://richarddawkins.net/article,2159,Interview-wit h-Ian-McEwan,The-New-Republic</a><!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>Thanks for the link and for introducing me to Jill Mytton - I'm sure I will enjoy her.
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Did you WATCH this baby preacher??? I think he is brain damaged already. <BR> <BR><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4FNGsNY3nI" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4FNGsNY3nI</a> <BR> <BR>It would be funny if it weren't so very sad.
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Maggie I thought you were ultra sensistive about child abuse and mockery of young ones. I learn more about you every day.
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Bob, your thought processes are different from mine and you often misunderstand me. <BR> <BR>That's OK, but please consider that your interpretation of what I say often has nothing to do with my actual intent, as in this case, where you've learned nothing about me. <BR> <BR>Laughing at the antics of children is not mocking them in my world. <BR> <BR>Kids say and do the darndest things and laughing about those things is one of the pleasures of life. <BR> <BR>This babe was getting a lot of positive attention for telling us about hellfire in baby language. It was really, really cute. <BR> <BR>But, I think, the whole thing is really really sad, when I consider the implications of it for his brain development and future life experience. <BR> <BR>But he sure did have the act down, I must say. <BR> <BR>I don't know why you have this creepy fixation on me, but I'm going to stop feeding it by responding to you. <BR> <BR>It's just boring to make forums about personalities, IMO.
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<b><font color="0000ff">It's just boring to make forums about personalities, IMO</font></b> <BR> <BR>I agree, do I hear you saying you plan to stop it??? <BR> <BR>That child being used that way is sacrilegious and abusive. You may have a moving target on abuse. Maybe we will see it filled out as you move along.
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<font color="0000ff">It seems to have resonance with God burning people alive at the end of time, i.e., if you don't like something, and you're bigger, stamp it out. <BR> <BR>... snip ... <BR> <BR>Making religious teaching illegal will only energize the faithful through persecution, as always happens, and postpone the lessons.</font> <BR> <BR>I am speaking of the teaching of these theories to children. <BR> <BR>I'm all for the Kama Sutra, but its not appropriate for young children. <BR> <BR>Let'em grow up, then study for themselves and decide.
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<font color="0000ff">Did you WATCH this baby preacher???</font> <BR> <BR>Thanks Maggie, but THAT is perverted. <BR> <BR>I hadn't seen it before and won't forget it soon. <BR> <BR>What are these people thinking????? <BR> <BR>And they are tax-exempt brainwashing centers!! <BR> <BR>The Bible and religious indoctrination should be R-17 or X rated.
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I would call them tax-exempt BRAIN-DAMAGING centers. <BR> <BR>Jill Mytton (very good video, thanks) talked about making it against the law to tell children that God might burn them in hell. I think that is totally reasonable, and soon enough we will have <u>scientific evidence</u> that these teachings cause <u>brain damage</u> in children, I'm sure. <BR> <BR>You said "some" of the garbage, so I can get onboard with that statement, come to think of it, but I don't think we can generalize and make religion illegal. But that's not what your were saying. <BR> <BR>What were those people thinking? That this child will grow up to be another Billy Graham, probably. That he already has the annointing of the Spirit, probably. That God has put His hand on him at a tender age, probably. <BR> <BR>I can feel into how they were probably feeling. <BR> <BR>It's understandable, given their belief system. <BR> <BR>Horrifying to me now, but understandable.
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Had a patient in a nursing home who wouldn't take her epilepsy medicine because she thought the seizures werea gift from God. We had to tell the family to take her home and let her practice it in their living room, but not under our doctor's care.
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Uh, Bob, after spending days and days and days decrying the marxist atheist scientists who tell creationists to go practice their beliefs somewhere other than in the science classroom... <BR> <BR>NOW, when its YOUR business and livelihood and potential malpractice lawsuits you and your obviously (by your definition) marxist communist atheist scientist doctors tell the religious nut to go practice it somewhere other than in YOUR establishment? <BR> <BR>How can you find the truth about seizures if you are marxist atheist communists and completely disregard the Biblical understanding of health afflictions and their source? <BR> <BR>You spent a considerable amount of time railing against what you have now claimed you do in real life in your own business! <BR> <BR>Think about it. <BR> <BR>I have a family member that suffered from seizures. I have sat in the offices of several neurologist's and they ADMIT that they (the science believing neurologists) are not 100% certain of the cause. HOWEVER, I have never once heard them discuss the option of the Biblical belief of demons and past sins as being the cause. <BR> <BR>Under your line of argument for the teaching of ID you should have considered the religious nut's scenario and explored, discussed, and continued to let her stay at your fine science-based facility. <BR> <BR>You demand that the goat herder theories be considered in science so practice what you preach. <BR> <BR>(Message edited by neal on February 20, 2009)
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Bob, should you and your science-believing doctors have called in a psychiatrist, had her certified delusional and in danger of harming her health, and had the state take over the decision making concerning her care and the location of that care? Like, possibly, a psychiatric hospital? <BR> <BR>Instead, you sign her out and wash your hands of the physically ill patient. You might consider being more careful what you admit to on public forums.
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<b><font color="ff0000"><center><font size="+2">Perversely obstinate</font></center></font></b>
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perverse: <BR> <BR>obstinate in opposing what is right, reasonable, or accepted <BR> <BR>obstinate: <BR> <BR>not easily subdued, remedied, or removed
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For the legally challenged: <BR> <BR><b><font color="ff0000">Liability</font></b> <BR> <BR>something for which one is liable
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I studied business law. Did you? <BR> <BR>If the person you mentioned was a patient how did you treat them during the 30 day notice period required by federal law? <BR> <BR>Just let them flail around on the floor?
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All protocols were followed. So why don't you go back to what it is you do, which I'm sure is not lawyering!!!
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<font color="0000ff">All protocols were followed. So why don't you go back to what it is you do, which I'm sure is not lawyering!!!</font> <BR> <BR>And all the protocols in science are being followed by the scientists. So why don't you go back to what it is you do, which I'm CERTAIN is not being a scientist?
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I repeat, if transcendant events happen and the results of them are seen, lepers healed, people raised from the dead (Lazarus), a true scientist would have to say the events never happened because it wasn't repeatable, and it wasn't published in a peer review journal. Hey, I can see why Neal turns down the Bible. No rigorous peer review in scientific journals. <img src="http://www.atomorrow.net/discus/clipart/lame.gif" border=0>
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When you have personally observed lepers healed, people raised from the dead, please call in the NYTimes and the Washington Post and the AMA Journal so that it can be officially reported. Until then, events that were reported several thousand years ago are not the ordinary stuff of news, either scientific inquiry or medical journals.
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How about dinos millions of years ago. You will vouch for them??? Even with manufactured bones, and hoaxes??
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Darwin Series: Judge John E. Jones III <BR> <BR><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm2nY67e6LQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm2nY67e6LQ</a>
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