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#51 01-23-09 8:44 pm

lijhakim
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Registered: 12-28-08
Posts: 108

Re: Grace

<font size="+1"> <b>Pelagianism</b></font> is a theological theory named after Pelagius &#40;ad. 354 – ad. 420/440&#41;. It is the belief that original sin did not taint human nature and that mortal will is still capable of choosing good or evil without Divine aid. Thus, <b>Adam&#39;s sin was &#34;to set a bad example&#34; for his progeny,</b> but his actions did not have the other consequences imputed to Original Sin. Pelagianism views <b>the role of Jesus as &#34;setting a good example&#34; for the rest of humanity</b> &#40;thus counteracting Adam&#39;s bad example&#41;. In short, humanity has full control and thus full responsibility, for its own salvation in addition to full responsibility for every sin &#40;this latter also agreed upon by his opponents&#41;. According to Pelagian doctrine, because humanity does not require God&#39;s grace for salvation , Jesus&#39; execution is devoid of the redemptive quality ascribed to it by orthodox Christian theology. <BR> <BR><b>Comment:</b> This heresy is well known in certain circles in Adventism today! <BR> <BR><b>History</b> <BR>Pelagianism was opposed by Augustine of Hippo, who taught that a person&#39;s salvation comes solely through a free gift, the efficacious grace of God, and that no person could save himself by his works. This led to Pelagianism&#39;s condemnation as a heresy at several local synods, including the Council of Diospolis, Carthage &#40;416, 418&#41;, and Ephesus &#40;431&#41;. Its strict moral teachings were influential in southern Italy and Sicily, where Pelagianism was openly preached until the death of its follower Julian of Eclanum in 455. <BR>------------------------ <BR>Hubert F. Sturges <BR><font color="ffffff">.</font>

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#52 01-23-09 9:22 pm

maggie
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Registered: 01-07-09
Posts: 367

Re: Grace

If Adam&#39;s sin was &#34;to set a bad example&#34; for his progeny, who, then, set the &#34;bad example&#34; for the big kitty cats who are so mean to the baby water buffalo? <BR> <BR><i>The Battle at Kruger</i> <BR><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU8DDYz68kM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU8DDYz68kM</a> <BR> <BR><font size="-2">Amazing video!</font>

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#53 01-23-09 9:52 pm

elaine
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Registered: 12-28-08
Posts: 1,391

Re: Grace

&#34;Sin&#34; is the blame we give for anything we don&#39;t like, want, or find disgusting or just what happens in life.  We will all die.  And yet, because death was the basis for believing in an afterlife &#40;all cultures make a great display of death and many ideas have emerged&#41;, we say that sin is what brought death. <BR> <BR>However, even worse would be living forever in this world.  Death is usually a blessing when it comes at the end of a long and well-lived life. <BR> <BR>A life with no obstacles to overcome, or no challenges, would be extremely boring.  We need the tension caused by not being satisfied with the status quo. <BR> <BR>That is why no one can keep the commandments, because the last one incorporates all the others: <BR>if no one wanted to learn more, acquire a new skill or talent, see a role model that inspires us, we covet something better.

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#54 01-23-09 9:58 pm

elaine
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Re: Grace

Augustine is the foremost proponent of Original Sin, fully adopted by the church. <BR> <BR>He had a very powerful influence on the church.  However, there are other positions that he promoted that have been detrimental for the church.  He, and others, were very strong misognynists and their positions influence the church to this day.

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